Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
Those were a collective of very significant missteps... Not in my lifetime have the liberals been 3rd place in a 3 horse race
Not in your lifetime? Not in history has it happened.
That was not Layton's first rodeo... The NDP did well solely because the Libs stumbled so badly and the electorate in Que maintained such a distaste for Harper.
The NDP under Layton had continually gained more and more seats during each election, they didn't lose seats. While the Liberals "stumbled" (I'd say they flat out failed) that did add to the amount of votes going to the NDP, but it's short sighted to not attribute much of the NDP's success to the NDP and Layton.
If any political party screws up, they obviously lose votes and those votes usually go to some other party. Your attempt to discredit the NDP's successes can be used towards every party.
If the NDP lose votes in the next election and they go towards the Liberals, then you could say the NDP Stumbled.
It's all a bit irrelevant as it can and will happen to every political party when they screw up or one simply performs better in an election.... that's how elections work.
It was a vote that was reactionary and sent a message more so than any real support for the NDP... Hell, some college kids with no political experience and limited life experience got elected... I won't believe that it had to do with the actual Party that they ran for.
There is always a message being sent in every election based on votes. The Conservatives said to vote for them to get a majority so we no longer have to keep going back to the polls every few months.... the NDP said to vote for them in order to stop the crap continually happening between both the Liberals and Conservatives and to perhaps stop all the continual elections from happening every few months.
.... The Liberals just did the same old thing with the belief they would always remain 1st or 2nd and the fk'd that up royally while the other two parties actually tried to get people to want to vote for them.
Did the NDP gain more seats because the Liberals screwed up?
Of course they did.... extra votes from the same people don't magically pop up out of nowhere, they just move to other parties. Those extra votes the Liberals used to get also went to the Conservatives.
The main message that was sent in the last election was that the Liberals suck and that the people preferred the NDP and Conservatives much more.
All the speculative reasons behind that main message could be anything based on who you talk to and are irrelevant.
I agree, but I think for different reasons.
My take is that the Que voters have a real decision to make and will be heavily gauging the performance of Harper on this... No, I don't really think that the Cons will take a whack of seats in Que, but I'd wager that you will see more general support for the Cons when you compare the numbers from the past 10-20 years.
I'm guessing the votes in Quebec will start to split between the Liberals and NDP, mostly because of Justin.
Like it or not, regardless of their scandals, the Cons have steered the Canadian ship through rough waters in the last number of years and compared to the G8 and G20 counter parts, Canada has come up smelling like a rose.
In the election before the last one, Harper continually said to voters that everything was fine, Canada wasn't in a recession like everybody else and they did everything right to protect the country.... then after he won another minority, he and his party came out and said, "Oh... yeah... we're in a Recession and we're kind of screwed. But thanks for voting us in based on our lies. Here's a budget that doesn't address the recession we're in but is a big FU to the other parties."
The only reason why Canada did better than other nations was because of already in-place protocols and precautions in bank loans and such that have been around for a long time, which other nations didn't exactly have. The Conservatives didn't magically wave a wand or do something right at the last minute to save us all.
Now that there is some dirty laundry for the NDP and Trudeau is making a mockery of the Liberals, the traditional anti-Con ridings will be truly forced to take a serious look at their options.
Considering this "Scandal" the NDP are in compared to some of the bigger scandals of the Liberals and Conservatives, I'd still vote NDP.
Again... based on who I think would screw me over the least.
There was only 1 minority gvt.. As to the logic on why the Cons were awarded a majority, well, we can only guess.
There is no guess, I just explained it to you.... if the Liberals can't figure it out by now why, then the Liberals won't fix their mistakes and remain in 3rd place for a long time to come.
• The people were sick of the petty bickering between the Liberals and Conservatives
• The people were sick of continually being tossed back to the polls for the same end results and the same bickering.
• The Liberals had no platform or real goals and the one goal they had, the Carbon Tax, Nobody liked.
• The Liberals had crap leaders.
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As for scandals... Quite frankly, the Harper Cons have come across as Honest Abe when compared to the fraud and graft of the many years of previous Liberal gvt... There is absolutely no comparison on this front.
^ That's just from 2006-2011, not counting anything in the last 3 years, which there is still plenty.
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I'm not sure what country or government you've been watching all these years.
Trudeau has waded into the deep end of the pool on this... His stance on abortion will alienate many voters on that issue alone... A critical, tactical mistake in my opinion.
To many mistakes that he and the Libs are making, I can not see that the Libs are in any position whatsoever to form gvt (even a minority) and will likely struggle to become official opposition (my opinion)
I would agree.