U.S. urges Canada to act on climate change


EagleSmack
+1
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTearsView Post

China can no longer be pressured by America. The USA is a laughingstock in China.

Obama's climate regulations could help pressure China... LMFAO

As if China cares if the US slits it's own wrists.
 
Tonington
+1
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Obama's climate regulations could help pressure China... LMFAO

As if China cares if the US slits it's own wrists.



Maybe you missed this the other day, but the US is already moving away from coal to natural gas without Obama lifting a finger or saying a word. From 2007 to 2012, coal's share of electricity generation went from 48.5% to 37.4%. That is a reduction in coal of 22.9 %. The average then is a reduction of 4.6% per year.

Now, to cut current coal in the inventory by 30%, would mean going from 37.4 to 26.2%, by 2030. That's cutting the coal by... 0.8% per year. The current rate is close to two order of magnitudes higher.

Obama can make this happen by doing nothing. Though it has some people raving mad. Yet power companies have been doing more on their own, due to simple economics. That highlights the crazy pretty well I think.

Are american power companies killing America right now? The last 5 years they've been killing economic opportunities? Yeah right. They've been responding to market pressures all on their own. The ones who haven't, yes they'll probably bitch and moan.
 
BaalsTears
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Obama's climate regulations could help pressure China... LMFAO

As if China cares if the US slits it's own wrists.

The Chinese say that the USA has erectile dysfunction.
 
EagleSmack
+2
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post



Maybe you missed this the other day, but the US is already moving away from coal to natural gas without Obama lifting a finger or saying a word. From 2007 to 2012, coal's share of electricity generation went from 48.5% to 37.4%. That is a reduction in coal of 22.9 %. The average then is a reduction of 4.6% per year.

Now, to cut current coal in the inventory by 30%, would mean going from 37.4 to 26.2%, by 2030. That's cutting the coal by... 0.8% per year. The current rate is close to two order of magnitudes higher.

Obama can make this happen by doing nothing. Though it has some people raving mad. Yet power companies have been doing more on their own, due to simple economics. That highlights the crazy pretty well I think.

Are american power companies killing America right now? The last 5 years they've been killing economic opportunities? Yeah right. They've been responding to market pressures all on their own. The ones who haven't, yes they'll probably bitch and moan.

OH F***!

China will be pressured after all then!

 
Tonington
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

OH F***!

China will be pressured after all then!

Probably not, they can grasp basic math.
 
BaalsTears
#36
Canadians need to surrender their sovereignty and do what Uncle Sam says. Isn't that the way a significant number of Canadians think? If that weren't true why would so many Canadians want to comply with the orders of a foreign potentate?
 
mentalfloss
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Why quote something you didn't read? It's pretty clear that the US is tackling their largest source of emissions, while we are not. It's all through that text you quoted.

Imagine that the story is about cutting government spending. The US cuts spending in a program that generates 40% of their government's costs. Why would you compare cost cutting measures in Canada to the same program that only accounts for 11% of our costs? Cut both of those programs by 30% each, doesn't achieve the same thing does it? That is not apples to apples.

Illogical.


That's preposterous Tonnington.

If the U.S. is getting rid of grenades, why should we part with our guns unless they stop selling bullets?!?!

 
Tonington
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTearsView Post

Canadians need to surrender their sovereignty and do what Uncle Sam says. Isn't that the way a significant number of Canadians think? If that weren't true why would so many Canadians want to comply with the orders of a foreign potentate?

More Canadians voted for our current government than any of the other parties, and the Prime Minister has said repeatedly that he'd basically do whatever the Americans do. A significant number of Canadians DO think that. Or at the very least, some significant Canadians do think that.
 
petros
#39
Out of 971,110 mWh power imported by US from Canada what percentage is from coal?
 
mentalfloss
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#40
Canada will 'completely' miss 2020 emissions-reduction pledge | CTV News (external - login to view)
 
EagleSmack
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Canada will 'completely' miss 2020 emissions-reduction pledge | CTV News (external - login to view)

 
BaalsTears
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

More Canadians voted for our current government than any of the other parties, and the Prime Minister has said repeatedly that he'd basically do whatever the Americans do. A significant number of Canadians DO think that. Or at the very least, some significant Canadians do think that.

I don't believe the folks who voted for Harper were following the instructions of foreign potentates.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Canada will 'completely' miss 2020 emissions-reduction pledge | CTV News (external - login to view)

If that's true then Uncle Sam will punish his Canadian children.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
#43
Originally Canada's plans were a lot more ambitious than the US. We signed the Kyoto Protocol and the US didn't. Once the Conservatvies got in and it became apparentl that there was no way we could possibly meet the Kyoto targets, the Harper government used harmonization iwth the US as his excuse to get out of Kyoto. Then they both signed the Copenhagen Accord. The US may be able to meet those targets, but Canada won't.

So now the US has passed us.

Being an environetnal laggard has its price though. Harper can't seem to talk anyone into his pipelines.
 
petros
+2
#44
If it were warmer we'd easily beat silly targets.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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#45
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Regrettable that is the case.

Some much for Hope and Change

Amazing how fast things turn golden oldie these days.

Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTearsView Post

I don't believe the folks who voted for Harper were following the instructions of foreign potentates.



If that's true then Uncle Sam will punish his Canadian children.

I have begged my Govearnment to comply with the Toyota Protocals for years, pleading with him to see the light and follow the huge becon of democrazy like a loyal saddleite nation and relieve the urge to carpet bom Kanada into an International Community Partnership. Nova Scotia has nothing to do with Canada, we are practically separated by body of water.
 
EagleSmack
+3
#46
And these ambitious plans that Obama is proposing... will they stop the climate from changing.


NO!
 
Colpy
Conservative
+2
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Harper needs to take a reality pill.
Are Harper’s dreams of Canada as energy superpower going up in smoke?
Are Prime Minister Harper’s dreams of Canada becoming an energy superpower going up in smoke? In the last decade, his Conservative government has done everything but roll out the red carpet for the energy sector. Whether it’s multi-million dollar advertising campaigns in the United States, gold-plated junkets to foreign energy markets, or muzzling opposition from domestic environmentalists, never before have we seen Ottawa shill so unabashedly for a single industry.
Such unbridled support is more than a little ironic. In theory, Harper’s brand of free market conservatism should have him recoiling at the thought of a government trying to pick winners. Either that or the rest of us just missed the chapter in the Wealth of Nations that made an exception for Big Oil. Ideology, I suppose, is great until it becomes inconvenient.
Unfortunately for Canadians, it’s becoming clear that despite the Prime Minister’s best attempts at economic intervention, their government is playing a losing hand. While everyone from poker players to fund managers can tell you that sometimes you need to cut bait on a bad position that’s not what’s happening here. Even as the rest of the world is realizing that it must wean itself off fossil fuels, the Harper government wants to double down on the resource.

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Yeah, you bunch of drooling morons would just LOVE it if you destroyed the Canadian economy and accelerated the decline of the west in favour of China and Russia.

Idiots.

But Europe needs oil and LNG.....send it east, and let's FRACK.

Which, btw, is the only way the USA is going to cut emmissions from power generation.

FRACKING!!

The horror!!
 
mentalfloss
#48
Colpy, your long winded rant completely discredited that CIBC economist fo sho
 
EagleSmack
+1
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Yeah, you bunch of drooling morons would just LOVE it if you destroyed the Canadian economy and accelerated the decline of the west in favour of China and Russia.

Idiots.

But Europe needs oil and LNG.....send it east, and let's FRACK.

Which, btw, is the only way the USA is going to cut emmissions from power generation.

FRACKING!!

The horror!!


That's this Administration's plan. To step back from the world stage and allow other countries to take over.


This plan does two things


* It will raise prices
* It will lower Americans standard of living


It will NOT affect climate change.
 
mentalfloss
#50
Time to move up here buddy.
 
Locutus
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

What you don't support weather modification?





American Nazi Party ‏@ANP14 (external - login to view)

It really isn't that difficult to use correct spelling and grammar. Be professional and disciplined in everything that you do for the cause.


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captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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#52
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Yes we do. Canada and Australia seems to be the only ones taking a stand.

The USA lead the way once in letting the UN know that they are welcome to take a long hard suck on....

Sadly, the times changed with the leadership

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

New Obama Climate Regulations Could Help U.S. Pressure China - TIME (external - login to view)


That's a helluva laugh.
 
mentalfloss
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

American Nazi Party ‏@ANP14 (external - login to view)

It really isn't that difficult to use correct spelling and grammar. Be professional and disciplined in everything that you do for the cause.


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Prickly Curmudgeons.
 
petros
#54
Lisa Simpson has spoken of prickles.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#55
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taxslave
No Party Affiliation
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#56
Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

Great! You mean BC can tell Enbridge to shove the pipeline?

No. Pipelines come under federal rules.
Besides which The working people of BC want the pipelines.
 
petros
#57
Super Natural BC....a ghost of it's former self?

BOO!
 
mentalfloss
+1
#58


“A lopsided and bipartisan majority of Americans support federal limits on greenhouse gas emissions,” the poll states. “Most are willing to stomach a higher energy bill to pay for it.”


Public endorses limits on carbon pollution
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

Originally Canada's plans were a lot more ambitious than the US. We signed the Kyoto Protocol and the US didn't. Once the Conservatvies got in and it became apparentl that there was no way we could possibly meet the Kyoto targets, the Harper government used harmonization iwth the US as his excuse to get out of Kyoto.

Let me get you up to speed on this:

No one of substance is adhering to Kyoto. Europe has all but abandoned it, hell Germany is reverting back to coal after the failed wind experiment.

Kyoto was less than a joke and Harper lead the world in admitting that it was a sham based on the IPCC fraud

Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

Then they both signed the Copenhagen Accord. The US may be able to meet those targets, but Canada won't.

A useless Accord that looks to maybe think about considering a possibility of setting aside a little time to think about things.

They may have well as signed an Accord to agree to set a common luncheon menu at the next conference

Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

So now the US has passed us.

I see.. So, the US has already hit their targets have they?

You sure put a lot of stock in a politicians word

Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

Harper can't seem to talk anyone into his pipelines.

Doesn't need to... National (energy) security trumps any/all provinces, FNs and ecotard lobby groups
 
mentalfloss
#60
Truth hurts.

Strong support for new U.S. emission standards bodes ill for Keystone | canada.com
 

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