PM announces air, naval, land forces support in Ukraine


View Poll Results: Should the Canadian Forces be deployed to Ukraine to resist Russian aggression?
Yes 3 15.79%
No 14 73.68%
Don't know / Prefer not to respond 2 10.53%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

FiveParadox
Liberal
+1
#1
The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister of Canada, met this afternoon with General Philip Breedlove*, Supreme Allied Commander Europe for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), with respect to the situation in Ukraine. Canada is one of NATO’s founding member states.

The Prime Minister has announced, moments ago, that the Canadian Forces shall be deployed to Ukraine to provide support in the face of continued aggression from the Russian Federation, indicating that this would come from the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Canadian Navy, and the Canadian Army.

The Prime Minister was accompanied for this announcement by Gen. Breedlove, by The Honourable Rob Nicholson P.C., Q.C., M.P. (Niagara Falls), the Minister of National Defence, and General Thomas Lawson C.M.M., C.D., the Chief of the Defence Staff for the Canadian Forces. Some limited naval and air support had already been announced over the previous several days; the Prime Minister also emphasized that Canada’s support includes several non-armed facets (such as sanctions against Russia, and financial aid).

Source: NATO commander likely to talk Ukraine with PM Stephen Harper (CBC)

*Also, “Breedlove” could totally be the name of a gay porn star or film. Just sayin’.

Last edited by FiveParadox; May 5th, 2014 at 02:26 PM..
 
petros
#2
CAF did a poll before the PMO gave a it a nod.
 
MHz
#3
No mention about the $900B to the taxpayers for 'spare parts'?
 
BornRuff
+4
#4  Top Rated Post
Yeah, sure, lets go to war with Russia. What could go wrong?

Seriously though, despite all the tampering from Russia, if people in Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia, it really isn't worth a single Canadian life to try to stop them.
 
Nuggler
+2
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Yeah, sure, lets go to war with Russia. What could go wrong?

Seriously though, despite all the tampering from Russia, if people in Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia, it really isn't worth a single Canadian life to try to stop them.




Try telling that to Helmet. I believes ya.


I guess a few hundred more Canuks have to die before we actually believe he`s a worthless bag of sh*t.
 
petros
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Yeah, sure, lets go to war with Russia. What could go wrong?

Seriously though, despite all the tampering from Russia, if people in Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia, it really isn't worth a single Canadian life to try to stop them.

They can go be dirt poor in Russia if that's the case and keep their Bolshevik hands off Ukrainian energy and industry.
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
#7
The involvement of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in the conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation is particularly interesting, given that neither are member states. I am not saying that there shouldn’t be a role for NATO or for Canada in keeping the peace here, but I am saying that whatever national response we have needs to be very measured and carefully considered. I am also concerned that the details of the situation are so scant at this time that Parliament cannot possibly exercise responsible oversight of the executive in its conduct of such an intervention.

This matter was also raised this week in the Senate when The Honourable Senator Anne C. Cools (Toronto Centre—York) questioned the wisdom of the Senate taking a position on the Ukraine-Russia dispute, given that very little information about Canada’s potential role has been made available to the Houses of Parliament. The honourable senator acknowledged, of course, that at the end of the day the making of war and peace is a prerogative of the Crown (through the advice of the Crown’s responsible ministers.)

Given the revelation by a senior Russian official that they would be prepared to go to war to take this Ukraine territory, Cabinet must deliberate very carefully to determine what type of participation would be in Canadians’ best interests. There is the very real possibility that Canada could end up trapped in an armed conflict if the situation suddenly escalates (which it absolutely could). The deployment of the Canadian Forces is one of the few remaining prerogative powers of the Crown, through ministers, that does not require the consultation or approval of Parliament.

Let’s hope that the Government takes the initiative to be open and consultative, so that Parliament can play an adequate oversight role (while acknowledging that the Government must have the freedom to make day-to-day decisions with respect to our participation in an armed conflict).
 
petros
+2
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Try telling that to Helmet. I believes ya.


I guess a few hundred more Canuks have to die before we actually believe he`s a worthless bag of sh*t.

1 in 34 Canadians have ties to Ukraine and they vote in volume. We grew up hearing the first hand accounts of living under oppression, experiencing genocide and millions having to flee for their lives from the men and women who built western Canada making it prosper.

Helmet isn't doing this for himself. He has a lot of pressure from Ukrainian Canadians through the Ukrainian Canadian Congress.

You have to go back to the early ninetys to understand Canada's role in disarming the third largest army in the world. Ukraine could be taking care of herself.

We owe them.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#9
Madness!
 
petros
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Madness!

Ask a Jew how long it takes for the generations to rebuild and settle the grudge of genocide and diaspora.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+3
#11
Nato should definitely put a stake in the ground and show support for the Ukraine. I'm really disappointed by what I am hearing from my fellow Canadians here in this thread. If we don't step up on this, we could see a serious instability return to Europe.
 
petros
+1
#12
Finally someone else who sees the light of day.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Finally someone who sees the light of day.

I served during the cold war.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+2
#14
Settling old grudges is a stupid reason for war.
 
petros
#15
Why did Russia start it? Again.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#16
War between the West and Russia would see 100s of millions dead. Stupid is a mild epithet.
 
Nuggler
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

I served during the cold war.


Fukk, RCS. All you had to do was phone and I`d given you a sweater.




So Helmet will go to war for votes in the West. Wunnerful. Hope he`s not so close to the front he gets hurt.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Settling old grudges is a stupid reason for war.

It's not about settling old grudges. It's about protecting democratic nations from Russian Aggression. The Former Yugoslavia is a shiny example of what can happen. While the UN dithered men woman and children were massacred. If Nato gets in there and draws a line in the sand Putin might just blink and the whole thing can be avoided. If we don't the Ukraine will only be the first of many Countries.

Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Fukk, RCS. All you had to do was phone and I`d given you a sweater.
So Helmet will go to war for votes in the West. Wunnerful. Hope he`s not so close to the front he gets hurt.

This is important.
 
petros
+1 / -1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

War between the West and Russia would see 100s of millions dead. Stupid is a mild epithet.

It's better to die with music than live under oppression.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

It's not about settling old grudges. It's about protecting democratic nations from Russian Aggression. The Former Yugoslavia is a shiny example of what can happen. While the UN dithered men woman and children were massacred. If Nato gets in there and draws a line in the sand Putin might just blink and the whole thing can be avoided. If we don't the Ukraine will only be the first of many Countries.

Ahh, the old domino theory. Cold-war rhetoric. The clash is between peoples in the Ukraine. Let those in the eastern regions determine their own future,
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

War between the West and Russia would see 100s of millions dead. Stupid is a mild epithet.

I doubt Russia will actually wage war with the West.

They would lose in their present state.
 
petros
#22
They are dirt poor.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadoxView Post

The involvement of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in the conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation is particularly interesting, given that neither are member states. I am not saying that there shouldn’t be a role for NATO or for Canada in keeping the peace here, but I am saying that whatever national response we have needs to be very measured and carefully considered. I am also concerned that the details of the situation are so scant at this time that Parliament cannot possibly exercise responsible oversight of the executive in its conduct of such an intervention.
This matter was also raised this week in the Senate when The Honourable Senator Anne C. Cools (Toronto Centre—York) questioned the wisdom of the Senate taking a position on the Ukraine-Russia dispute, given that very little information about Canada’s potential role has been made available to the Houses of Parliament. The honourable senator acknowledged, of course, that at the end of the day the making of war and peace is a prerogative of the Crown (through the advice of the Crown’s responsible ministers.)
Given the revelation by a senior Russian official that they would be prepared to go to war to take this Ukraine territory, Cabinet must deliberate very carefully to determine what type of participation would be in Canadians’ best interests. There is the very real possibility that Canada could end up trapped in an armed...

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Okay, let's get this straight:

THERE ARE NO CANADIAN MILITARY ASSETS GOING TO UKRAINE

Our aircraft are going to eastern Europe; Poland, the Baltic States, the Czech Republic, all of which ARE NATO countries.

I personally believe that if Putin is determined to drop a new Iron Curtain, it is NATO's role to ensure that curtain is a far east as we can push it.....but that requires NATO act as a unit, and the EU (including even the UK) is dragging its feet, the US is currently led by a useless idiot, and there is NOTHING Canada can do on their own.

So Putin gets to eat Ukraine.

 
BornRuff
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

They can go be dirt poor in Russia if that's the case and keep their Bolshevik hands off Ukrainian energy and industry.

Is it our responsibility to protect their resources?
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+1
#25
I figure it would like sending in the military to step between two fibbers because I really can't place a lot of faith in what either side claims. If there was a democratic vote to opt out of the EU and we are supposed to be democracy why are we taking a side against it? Sanctions, I can understand.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Ahh, the old domino theory. Cold-war rhetoric. The clash is between peoples in the Ukraine. Let those in the eastern regions determine their own future,

Thanks Neville, I'd prefer to put out the fire while it's still relatively small.

I'm sure these countries are watching with keen interest as well.

Czechslovakia [Now the Czech and Slovak Republic]
Hungary
Poland
East Germany [now United]
Romania
Bulgaria
Albania
Yugoslavia {No Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovinia, Macedonia,Kosovo, Montenegro]

Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Is it our responsibility to protect their resources?

The argument is always the same.
 
petros
+1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Okay, let's get this straight:

THERE ARE NO CANADIAN MILITARY ASSETS GOING TO UKRAINE

Our aircraft are going to eastern Europe; Poland, the Baltic States, the Czech Republic, all of which ARE NATO countries.

I personally believe that if Putin is determined to drop a new Iron Curtain, it is NATO's role to ensure that curtain is a far east as we can push it.....but that requires NATO act as a unit, and the EU (including even the UK) is dragging its feet, the US is currently led by a useless idiot, and there is NOTHING Canada can do on their own.

So Putin gets to eat Ukraine.

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All those nations have high percentages "ethnic Ukrainians" who know what Bolshevism is all about and aren't going to have it forced by the barrel of a gun ever again.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
+1
#28
Was it illegal for the Ukrainian Parliament to depose Yanukovych? Can't get a straight answer in the media.

Fine for Harper to talk tough but he has eviscerated the military like most of the PMs before him.

I'm OK with containing Putin. But I'd prefer the Ukeleleans put up a fight first. As far as I can tell they simply walked away from their naval base in Crimea. If they aren't going to fight for it, why should we?
 
petros
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Is it our responsibility to protect their resources?

As a free nation we have an obligation to protect the people and their livelihoods that help keep them free.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1 / -1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

Fine for Harper to talk tough but he has eviscerated the military like most of the PMs before him.

The Canadian Military has not been eviscerated. They were under the Liberals, but don't kid yourself, our soldiers are ready and able and thankfully far better equipped than they have been in a long time.

Quote:

I'm OK with containing Putin. But I'd prefer the Ukeleleans put up a fight first. As far as I can tell they simply walked away from their naval base in Crimea. If they aren't going to fight for it, why should we?

They are putting up a fight. Crimea wanted to leave.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

As a free nation we have an obligation to protect the people and their livelihoods that help keep them free.

Boy you are wasting your breath trying to talk sense to BR on this one.
 

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