PM announces air, naval, land forces support in Ukraine

Should the Canadian Forces be deployed to Ukraine to resist Russian aggression?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • No

    Votes: 14 73.7%

  • Don't know / Prefer not to respond

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • Total voters
    19
FiveParadox

FiveParadox

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The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister of Canada, met this afternoon with General Philip Breedlove*, Supreme Allied Commander Europe for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), with respect to the situation in Ukraine. Canada is one of NATO’s founding member states.

The Prime Minister has announced, moments ago, that the Canadian Forces shall be deployed to Ukraine to provide support in the face of continued aggression from the Russian Federation, indicating that this would come from the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Canadian Navy, and the Canadian Army.

The Prime Minister was accompanied for this announcement by Gen. Breedlove, by The Honourable Rob Nicholson P.C., Q.C., M.P. (Niagara Falls), the Minister of National Defence, and General Thomas Lawson C.M.M., C.D., the Chief of the Defence Staff for the Canadian Forces. Some limited naval and air support had already been announced over the previous several days; the Prime Minister also emphasized that Canada’s support includes several non-armed facets (such as sanctions against Russia, and financial aid).

Source: NATO commander likely to talk Ukraine with PM Stephen Harper (CBC)

*Also, “Breedlove” could totally be the name of a gay porn star or film. Just sayin’.

 
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BornRuff

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Yeah, sure, lets go to war with Russia. What could go wrong?

Seriously though, despite all the tampering from Russia, if people in Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia, it really isn't worth a single Canadian life to try to stop them.
 
Nuggler

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BornRuff said:
Yeah, sure, lets go to war with Russia. What could go wrong?

Seriously though, despite all the tampering from Russia, if people in Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia, it really isn't worth a single Canadian life to try to stop them.
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Try telling that to Helmet. I believes ya.


I guess a few hundred more Canuks have to die before we actually believe he`s a worthless bag of sh*t.
 
petros

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BornRuff said:
Yeah, sure, lets go to war with Russia. What could go wrong?

Seriously though, despite all the tampering from Russia, if people in Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia, it really isn't worth a single Canadian life to try to stop them.
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They can go be dirt poor in Russia if that's the case and keep their Bolshevik hands off Ukrainian energy and industry.
 
FiveParadox

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The involvement of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in the conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation is particularly interesting, given that neither are member states. I am not saying that there shouldn’t be a role for NATO or for Canada in keeping the peace here, but I am saying that whatever national response we have needs to be very measured and carefully considered. I am also concerned that the details of the situation are so scant at this time that Parliament cannot possibly exercise responsible oversight of the executive in its conduct of such an intervention.

This matter was also raised this week in the Senate when The Honourable Senator Anne C. Cools (Toronto Centre—York) questioned the wisdom of the Senate taking a position on the Ukraine-Russia dispute, given that very little information about Canada’s potential role has been made available to the Houses of Parliament. The honourable senator acknowledged, of course, that at the end of the day the making of war and peace is a prerogative of the Crown (through the advice of the Crown’s responsible ministers.)

Given the revelation by a senior Russian official that they would be prepared to go to war to take this Ukraine territory, Cabinet must deliberate very carefully to determine what type of participation would be in Canadians’ best interests. There is the very real possibility that Canada could end up trapped in an armed conflict if the situation suddenly escalates (which it absolutely could). The deployment of the Canadian Forces is one of the few remaining prerogative powers of the Crown, through ministers, that does not require the consultation or approval of Parliament.

Let’s hope that the Government takes the initiative to be open and consultative, so that Parliament can play an adequate oversight role (while acknowledging that the Government must have the freedom to make day-to-day decisions with respect to our participation in an armed conflict).
 
petros

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Nuggler said:
Try telling that to Helmet. I believes ya.


I guess a few hundred more Canuks have to die before we actually believe he`s a worthless bag of sh*t.
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1 in 34 Canadians have ties to Ukraine and they vote in volume. We grew up hearing the first hand accounts of living under oppression, experiencing genocide and millions having to flee for their lives from the men and women who built western Canada making it prosper.

Helmet isn't doing this for himself. He has a lot of pressure from Ukrainian Canadians through the Ukrainian Canadian Congress.

You have to go back to the early ninetys to understand Canada's role in disarming the third largest army in the world. Ukraine could be taking care of herself.

We owe them.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier

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Nato should definitely put a stake in the ground and show support for the Ukraine. I'm really disappointed by what I am hearing from my fellow Canadians here in this thread. If we don't step up on this, we could see a serious instability return to Europe.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier

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Spade said:
Settling old grudges is a stupid reason for war.
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It's not about settling old grudges. It's about protecting democratic nations from Russian Aggression. The Former Yugoslavia is a shiny example of what can happen. While the UN dithered men woman and children were massacred. If Nato gets in there and draws a line in the sand Putin might just blink and the whole thing can be avoided. If we don't the Ukraine will only be the first of many Countries.

Nuggler said:
Fukk, RCS. All you had to do was phone and I`d given you a sweater.
So Helmet will go to war for votes in the West. Wunnerful. Hope he`s not so close to the front he gets hurt.
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This is important.
 
Spade

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Retired_Can_Soldier said:
It's not about settling old grudges. It's about protecting democratic nations from Russian Aggression. The Former Yugoslavia is a shiny example of what can happen. While the UN dithered men woman and children were massacred. If Nato gets in there and draws a line in the sand Putin might just blink and the whole thing can be avoided. If we don't the Ukraine will only be the first of many Countries.
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Ahh, the old domino theory. Cold-war rhetoric. The clash is between peoples in the Ukraine. Let those in the eastern regions determine their own future,
 
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