Canadians will forever be indebted because of Jim Flaherty.


tay
+4
#1
Look what I got in the email...............










Regardless of what one thinks of the recently deceased man on a personal level, if one uses objective, non-emotional criteria, it is clear that he was probably the worst finance minister in Canadian history. Unfortunately for us, his replacement, Joe Oliver, will likely be much worse.


Almost immediately after Flaherty’s death became public, the fawning political praise and sickening historical revisionism flooded in like oil from an Enbridge pipeline spill. Over-the-top accolades for the small callous man have been stomach-churning, and is an insult to his many victims. It is very easy for comfortable politicians and pundits to overlook the damage he has caused to so many lives.


Crediting Flaherty for his supposed “steady hand on the tiller” during the recent recession (which still lingers today) is outrageous nonsense. The fact that Canada’s economy didn’t collapse as much as some of the other economies is in spite of Flaherty and the Conservatives, not because of them. The previous Liberal government left the Conservatives with a budget surplus, a somewhat-regulated banking sector, and certain protections for other economic sectors.


Before the worldwide financial meltdown hit, the Conservatives had been screaming for years to deregulate the financial sector and other key sectors. If they had gotten their way back then, the recent economic collapse in Canada would be much worse. With all the reckless and treasonous economic policies that Flaherty has helped bring in during his federal tenure, Canada will be hit much harder in the next big downturn. B-b-b-baby, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


Applauding Flaherty for gradually reining in his annual federal deficits and reversing some of his other misguided fiscal policies is like treating a child like a hero for slowly, yet only partially, cleaning up a mess he created in the first place!


Flaherty’s financial mismanagement started well before the 2008 recession hit. Then, when it became obvious to most that Canada was going into recession, Flaherty he kept insisting that the country would be magically spared, until he had no choice but to admit the truth (without admitting he had been wrong). A man with integrity would have resigned after being caught in lies so big. Later, Flaherty kept bragging that he would stay on as federal finance minister until he got the annual federal budget balanced again. Another Conservative promise broken.


Praising Flaherty for his years of “public service” is horse****. He wasn’t an unpaid intern, minimum wage worker or a frontline soldier. The Canadian taxpayers paid him very well, and gave him a lifestyle of comfort and luxury beyond the wildest dreams of most working-class Canadians. No wonder he seemed happy-go-lucky much of the time. He got his. Flaherty had no loyalty to Canadians; he served his political party and the multinational corporations, not the general public.


As for the boldly dishonest Globe and Mail headline claiming that Flaherty “always fought for the little guy”, you have to be ****ing kidding me! Flaherty was an enemy in the class war. He was a traitor to his family’s humble roots. He showed no sympathy for those who were down on their luck and couldn’t catch a break. Instead of helping the little guy up, he kicked that guy while he was down, spit in his face and added verbal insults to those injuries. Flaherty was no friend of the poor and disadvantaged. They were beneath him.


Here are some of the lowlights in Flaherty’s horrible political career:


● As the finance minister in Ontario’s Mike Harris government, he severely cut social assistance, housing, healthcare, education, water testing and other valuable programs, leading to increased homelessness, poverty, hopelessness, medical suffering and deaths.


● Also as the Ontario finance minister, Flaherty played a key role in rushing through the 99-year lease of Highway 407 (built with tax dollars) to a sleazy and/or incompetent Spanish corporation that has ripped off drivers, either by mistake or by design. That foreign corporation got an extremely generous deal and Ontarians got the shaft. Flaherty used that deal and other shady backroom sales of public assets to make his financial books look good. Short-term gain for long-term pain.


● Near the end of his provincial career – by then the Minister of Enterprise, Opportunity and Innovation – Flaherty was complicit in the Progressive Conservatives’ fraudulent claim that they had of an annual budget surplus, which the incoming Ontario Liberal government later confirmed to be a $5.6 billion deficit. In a just world, there would have been criminal convictions.


● In his early days of being the federal finance minister, Flaherty irrationally and viciously declared to the world that businesses should not invest in Ontario. His treasonous dig was petty-minded revenge against Ontarians for voting Liberal in the 2003 provincial election.


● Flaherty financially screwed over retirees by suddenly taxing income trusts after explicitly promising not to.


● He and the Conservatives massively increased the federal debt, which one source says is almost $620 billion (external - login to view) and another source says is almost $680 billion (external - login to view) (as of April 12, 2014). That is up from $481.5 billion in 2006 (external - login to view), when Stephen Harper’s Conservatives took over from the Paul Martin Liberals. That means approximately 22 to 29 per cent of Canada’s federal debt was racked up under Flaherty’s watch. That’s right; between 20 and 30 per cent of Canada’s entire federal debt, spanning almost 150 years of government, was racked up in just eight years. The federal debt would be even bigger if the federal government had not downloaded many of its financial liabilities to the lower levels of government. Note that the federal Liberals were guilty of downloading too, but the Harper Conservatives never reversed that.


● Flaherty implemented a “starve the beast” strategy:


1)Waste money on non-priorities such as pork-barrel projects, irresponsible tax cuts, luxuries for his fellow politicians, the useless G20 and G8 conferences, the aggressive occupation of Afghanistan, expensive political propaganda, and no-strings-attached subsidies for big corporations (especially tarsands corporations).


2) Claim that we can no longer afford the services and regulations that Canadians depend on.


3) Slash those cherished services and regulations under the guise of balancing the budget.


4) Repeat.


● He enacted policies that resulted in increased unemployment and underemployment (especially for younger Canadians), lower wage rates, less stability, reduced benefits, shrunk pensions, intensified economic inequality and the race to the bottom.


● Flaherty increased payroll taxes, which disproportionately hurts people who acquire most of their income by working for wages, instead of living off investments.


● He and his Conservative colleagues actively contributed to the preventable crisis of jobs being sent out of the country while submissive “temporary” foreign workers are imported to replace qualified Canadian workers. This is a recipe for disaster.


● Flaherty enabled wealthy insiders to evade taxes and refused to give Canada Revenue Agency the resources needed to crack down on major tax cheats.


● He pushed the HST (Harper Sales Tax) onto Ontario and British Columbia (with the cooperation of their provincial governments). In Ontario, the provincial Liberals and federal Conservatives promised that the HST – which added sales tax to many basic goods and services that were tax-free before – would create thousands of jobs and cause businesses to lower their prices. Neither has happened.


● Flaherty allowed Harper to transform federal budget bills into gigantic omnibus bills with more non-budget items than actual budget items. Their size (hundreds of pages) and purpose (to sneak through extreme changes without proper examination or debate) have been unprecedented in Canada.


● He added to the problem of the overheated Canadian housing market, which has led to insanely high prices for houses and condos, especially in major urban areas. This has mostly benefitted the banksters and those who work in the real estate industry, at the expense of everyone else.


● He used his influence and connections to help the Ford crime family get elected to Toronto city council, and he hurled insults at those who dared criticize Rob the crackhead mayor.

This is the stuff of his legacy. Oh, but he smiled a lot and he was friendly to opposition politicians.


One could argue that Flaherty wasn’t all to blame, and that he was merely a puppet of Harris, Harper and their corporate masters.


That theory does not make Flaherty look any better. It makes him look spineless, opportunistic and selfish. Blaming his failed federal record on the global recession is also a cop-out, an excuse that his fellow Cons would never accept if it came from another political party


Politics isn’t an abstract game or a debating club. This is real life, and real people have been harmed (and continue to be harmed) by Flaherty’s actions and inactions. Canada is worse off because of what Flaherty did in office, and the nation may never recover, even if the NDP or Liberals win the next election.


I understand it’s an emotional time for some and it’s hard to not empathize with Flaherty’s family and friends, but please show at least a minimum level of human decency and think about his victims. Grieve the fact that Flaherty spent his adult life on the wrong side of righteousness and he lost his opportunity to right his wrongs. Above all else, please restrain the urge to re-write history. The lies and distortions are too much to bear, so spare us.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3 / -1
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Look what I got in the email...............










Regardless of what one thinks of the recently deceased man on a personal level, if one uses objective, non-emotional criteria, it is clear that he was probably the worst finance minister in Canadian history. Unfortunately for us, his replacement, Joe Oliver, will likely be much worse.


Almost immediately after Flaherty’s death became public, the fawning political praise and sickening historical revisionism flooded in like oil from an Enbridge pipeline spill. Over-the-top accolades for the small callous man have been stomach-churning, and is an insult to his many victims. It is very easy for comfortable politicians and pundits to overlook the damage he has caused to so many lives.


Crediting Flaherty for his supposed “steady hand on the tiller” during the recent recession (which still lingers today) is outrageous nonsense. The fact that Canada’s economy didn’t collapse as much as some of the other economies is in spite of Flaherty and the Conservatives, not because of them. The previous Liberal government left the Conservatives with a budget surplus, a somewhat-regulated banking sector, and certain protections for other economic sectors.


Before the worldwide financial meltdown hit, the Conservatives had been screaming for years to deregulate the financial sector and other key sectors. If they had gotten their way back then, the recent economic collapse in Canada would be much worse. With all the reckless and treasonous economic policies that Flaherty has helped bring in during his federal tenure, Canada will be hit much harder in the next big downturn. B-b-b-baby, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


Applauding Flaherty for gradually reining in his annual federal deficits and reversing some of his other misguided fiscal policies is like treating a child like a hero for slowly, yet only partially, cleaning up a mess he created in the first place!


Flaherty’s financial mismanagement started well before the 2008 recession hit. Then, when it became obvious to most that Canada was going into recession, Flaherty he kept insisting that the country would be magically spared, until he had no choice but to admit the truth (without admitting he had been wrong). A man with integrity would have resigned after being caught in lies so big. Later, Flaherty kept bragging that he would stay on as federal finance minister until he got the annual federal budget balanced again. Another Conservative promise broken.


Praising Flaherty for his years of “public service” is horse****. He wasn’t an unpaid intern, minimum wage worker or a frontline soldier. The Canadian taxpayers paid him very well, and gave him a lifestyle of comfort and luxury beyond the wildest dreams of most working-class Canadians. No wonder he seemed happy-go-lucky much of the time. He got his. Flaherty had no loyalty to Canadians; he served his political party and the multinational corporations, not the general public.


As for the boldly dishonest Globe and Mail headline claiming that Flaherty “always fought for the little guy”, you have to be ****ing kidding me! Flaherty was an enemy in the class war. He was a traitor to his family’s humble roots. He showed no sympathy for those who were down on their luck and couldn’t catch a break. Instead of helping the little guy up, he kicked that guy while he was down, spit in his face and added verbal insults to those injuries. Flaherty was no friend of the poor and disadvantaged. They were beneath him.


Here are some of the lowlights in Flaherty’s horrible political career:


● As the finance minister in Ontario’s Mike Harris government, he severely cut social assistance, housing, healthcare, education, water testing and other valuable programs, leading to increased homelessness, poverty, hopelessness, medical suffering and deaths.


● Also as the Ontario finance minister, Flaherty played a key role in rushing through the 99-year lease of Highway 407 (built with tax dollars) to a sleazy and/or incompetent Spanish corporation that has ripped off drivers, either by mistake or by design. That foreign corporation got an extremely generous deal and Ontarians got the shaft. Flaherty used that deal and other shady backroom sales of public assets to make his financial books look good. Short-term gain for long-term pain.


● Near the end of his provincial career – by then the Minister of Enterprise, Opportunity and Innovation – Flaherty was complicit in the Progressive Conservatives’ fraudulent claim that they had of an annual budget surplus, which the incoming Ontario Liberal government later confirmed to be a $5.6 billion deficit. In a just world, there would have been criminal convictions.


● In his early days of being the federal finance minister, Flaherty irrationally and viciously declared to the world that businesses should not invest in Ontario. His treasonous dig was petty-minded revenge against Ontarians for voting Liberal in the 2003 provincial election.


● Flaherty financially screwed over retirees by suddenly taxing income trusts after explicitly promising not to.


● He and the Conservatives massively increased the federal debt, which one source says is almost $620 billion (external - login to view) and another source says is almost $680 billion (external - login to view) (as of April 12, 2014). That is up from $481.5 billion in 2006 (external - login to view), when Stephen Harper’s Conservatives took over from the Paul Martin Liberals. That means approximately 22 to 29 per cent of Canada’s federal debt was racked up under Flaherty’s watch. That’s right; between 20 and 30 per cent of Canada’s entire federal debt, spanning almost 150 years of government, was racked up in just eight years. The federal debt would be even bigger if the federal government had not downloaded many of its financial liabilities to the lower levels of government. Note that the federal Liberals were guilty of downloading too, but the Harper Conservatives never reversed that.


● Flaherty implemented a “starve the beast” strategy:


1)Waste money on non-priorities such as pork-barrel projects, irresponsible tax cuts, luxuries for his fellow politicians, the useless G20 and G8 conferences, the aggressive occupation of Afghanistan, expensive political propaganda, and no-strings-attached subsidies for big corporations (especially tarsands corporations).


2) Claim that we can no longer afford the services and regulations that Canadians depend on.


3) Slash those cherished services and regulations under the guise of balancing the budget.


4) Repeat.


● He enacted policies that resulted in increased unemployment and underemployment (especially for younger Canadians), lower wage rates, less stability, reduced benefits, shrunk pensions, intensified economic inequality and the race to the bottom.


● Flaherty increased payroll taxes, which disproportionately hurts people who acquire most of their income by working for wages, instead of living off investments.


● He and his Conservative colleagues actively contributed to the preventable crisis of jobs being sent out of the country while submissive “temporary” foreign workers are imported to replace qualified Canadian workers. This is a recipe for disaster.


● Flaherty enabled wealthy insiders to evade taxes and refused to give Canada Revenue Agency the resources needed to crack down on major tax cheats.


● He pushed the HST (Harper Sales Tax) onto Ontario and British Columbia (with the cooperation of their provincial governments). In Ontario, the provincial Liberals and federal Conservatives promised that the HST – which added sales tax to many basic goods and services that were tax-free before – would create thousands of jobs and cause businesses to lower their prices. Neither has happened.


● Flaherty allowed Harper to transform federal budget bills into gigantic omnibus bills with more non-budget items than actual budget items. Their size (hundreds of pages) and purpose (to sneak through extreme changes without proper examination or debate) have been unprecedented in Canada.


● He added to the problem of the overheated Canadian housing market, which has led to insanely high prices for houses and condos, especially in major urban areas. This has mostly benefitted the banksters and those who work in the real estate industry, at the expense of everyone else.


● He used his influence and connections to help the Ford crime family get elected to Toronto city council, and he hurled insults at those who dared criticize Rob the crackhead mayor.

This is the stuff of his legacy. Oh, but he smiled a lot and he was friendly to opposition politicians.


One could argue that Flaherty wasn’t all to blame, and that he was merely a puppet of Harris, Harper and their corporate masters.


That theory does not make Flaherty look any better. It makes him look spineless, opportunistic and selfish. Blaming his failed federal record on the global recession is also a cop-out, an excuse that his fellow Cons would never accept if it came from another political party


Politics isn’t an abstract game or a debating club. This is real life, and real people have been harmed (and continue to be harmed) by Flaherty’s actions and inactions. Canada is worse off because of what Flaherty did in office, and the nation may never recover, even if the NDP or Liberals win the next election.


I understand it’s an emotional time for some and it’s hard to not empathize with Flaherty’s family and friends, but please show at least a minimum level of human decency and think about his victims. Grieve the fact that Flaherty spent his adult life on the wrong side of righteousness and he lost his opportunity to right his wrongs. Above all else, please restrain the urge to re-write history. The lies and distortions are too much to bear, so spare us.

Assume you did not emit this effluent all on your own..........which means it should be cited.

Incredibly disrespectful, inaccurate, foul, and malicious garbage is all it is..............and it needs a citation, as I would like to know what particular sicko is responsible for this steaming dog turd of an article.
 
wulfie68
No Party Affiliation
+3
#3
Sorry Tay, we're still feeling the effects of Trudeau's finance ministers in the 70s. Now we have taken steps forward and backwards since then, but that is really where Canada's issues originate. Its disingenuous to claim that others attempting to work with that burden are to blame more. Now its all about laying a ground work where our economy can grow and we can pay a lot of it off (i.e. like we did in the 90s, thanks to policies put in place during the 80s).
 
eh1eh
+7
#4  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Assume you did not emit this effluent all on your own..........which means it should be cited.

Incredibly disrespectful, inaccurate, foul, and malicious garbage is all it is..............and it needs a citation, as I would like to know what particular sicko is responsible for this steaming dog turd of an article.


Propaganda does swing both ways. But I agree this is brain dead garbage.


BTW. We will be indebted by "ALL" politicians for the foreseeable future.

Yep. I said all for sure. If you think only left leaning do it, you are wrong.
 
Locutus
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Assume you did not emit this effluent all on your own..........which means it should be cited.

Incredibly disrespectful, inaccurate, foul, and malicious garbage is all it is..............and it needs a citation, as I would like to know what particular sicko is responsible for this steaming dog turd of an article.


here's the dude:

The Ranting Canadian, Canadians will forever be indebted because of Jim... (external - login to view)
 
eh1eh
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

here's the dude:

The Ranting Canadian, Canadians will forever be indebted because of Jim... (external - login to view)

Worst. Tumblr. Ever.
 
Locutus
#7
well, I guess all ya need is a valid email to set one of those up eh.
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Propaganda does swing both ways. But I agree this is brain dead garbage.


BTW. We will be indebted by "ALL" politicians for the foreseeable future.

Yep. I said all for sure. If you think only left leaning do it, you are wrong.

Yes.

Although if this forum is any indication, the left seem far more open to their team screwing up than the right, that's what I am beginning to notice.

Far less emotional about it too.

Just an observation from a leftard who votes righttard now and then.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+5
#9
Jim Flaherty was a good Finance Minister, I did not agree with all his policies, but to say he was the worst is partisan stupidity at its best.

Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

Yes.

Although if this forum is any indication, the left seem far more open to their team screwing up than the right, that's what I am beginning to notice.

Far less emotional about it too.

Just an observation from a leftard who votes righttard now and then.

That would make you a swingtard. I hear they're real juicy and sweet. Come from Tazmnia. That's what I hear.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Look what I got in the email...............










Regardless of what one thinks of the recently deceased man on a personal level, if one uses objective, non-emotional criteria, it is clear that he was probably the worst finance minister in Canadian history. Unfortunately for us, his replacement, Joe Oliver, will likely be much worse.


Almost immediately after Flaherty’s death became public, the fawning political praise and sickening historical revisionism flooded in like oil from an Enbridge pipeline spill. Over-the-top accolades for the small callous man have been stomach-churning, and is an insult to his many victims. It is very easy for comfortable politicians and pundits to overlook the damage he has caused to so many lives.


.


If you can't say anything good about the man maybe you should just keep your F'ing trap shut!
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

If you can't say anything good about the man maybe you should just keep your F'ing trap shut!

Now now be nice.

Old Chinese Proverb. Let the idiot speak.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Now now be nice.

Old Chinese Proverb. Let the idiot speak.


Yeah, it's probably best to just let idiots destroy their own credibility! -
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Yeah, it's probably best to just let idiots destroy their own credibility! -

what credibility?
 
eh1eh
+1
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

Yes.

Although if this forum is any indication, the left seem far more open to their team screwing up than the right, that's what I am beginning to notice.

Far less emotional about it too.

Just an observation from a leftard who votes righttard now and then.

What a great signature.
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Jim Flaherty was a good Finance Minister, I did not agree with all his policies, but to say he was the worst is partisan stupidity at its best.



That would make you a swingtard. I hear they're real juicy and sweet. Come from Tazmnia. That's what I hear.

a swingtard...that is THE best term I've heard in forEVER...I am going to steal it....as for what we hear, you know what they say about believing it...however, in this case it just happens to be true

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

What a great signature.

yeah it would be...and I like the swingtard label...it conjures all sort of things in ma head.
 
Liberalman
+2
#16
Flaherty would have made a good Liberal
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Flaherty would have made a good Liberal

interesting comment...and it's not like they don't cross the floor on a whim
 
BornRuff
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Sorry Tay, we're still feeling the effects of Trudeau's finance ministers in the 70s. Now we have taken steps forward and backwards since then, but that is really where Canada's issues originate. Its disingenuous to claim that others attempting to work with that burden are to blame more. Now its all about laying a ground work where our economy can grow and we can pay a lot of it off (i.e. like we did in the 90s, thanks to policies put in place during the 80s).

Can you explain what you are talking about here?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Can you explain what you are talking about here?

He just did. If you didn't understand read it again or go Google it.

Your forum preemptive argument is so predictable.
 
Locutus
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Can you explain what you are talking about here?

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

He just did. If you didn't understand read it again or go Google it.

Your forum preemptive argument is so predictable.


10x the burn points there sir. Well done.
 
BornRuff
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

He just did. If you didn't understand read it again or go Google it.

Your forum preemptive argument is so predictable.

What?

Can you point me to exactly where he says what he thinks Trudeau's finance ministers did?

How can I search google for what this person is thinking?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1 / -2
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

What?

Can you point me to exactly where he says what he thinks Trudeau's finance ministers did?

How can I search google for what this person is thinking?


And there you go again. Rather than tell the individual you disagree or bring about some point you throw out your stupid questions. Explain to me this? How can I that? Everyone here knows exactly what Wulfie68 is driving at, including those who don't agree with him, but you need him to clarify.

Predictable. Maybe you should work on your game a bit.
 
BornRuff
+2
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

And there you go again. Rather than tell the individual you disagree or bring about some point you throw out your stupid questions. Explain to me this? How can I that? Everyone here knows exactly what Wulfie68 is driving at, including those who don't agree with him, but you need him to clarify.

Predictable. Maybe you should work on your game a bit.

Some people here are not 60+ years old, so no, I am not fully aware of all the possible grievances levied against finance ministers in the 70's.

Asking for clarification isn't a game. How can I form a reasoned opinion on something if I don't know what the person is referring to in the first place?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1 / -1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Asking for clarification isn't a game. How can I form a reasoned opinion on something if I don't know what the person is referring to in the first place?

There you go again.

Try by not playing dumb and do a little research. I'm not 60 and I know, as are quite a few informed folks on this site.

They just don't play the same dumb game you play.
 
BornRuff
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Try by not playing dumb and do a little research. I'm not 60 and I know, as are quite a few informed folks on this site.

They just don't play the same dumb game you play.

Seriously, if you are not just going to answer the question, then shut up.

Why do you love bickering so much?

I promise you, I do not enjoy speaking with you in any way, so I wouldn't bother posting unless I was actually interested in what this person is talking about.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+2
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Can you explain what you are talking about here?

It is clear, concise and accurate. What about this confounds you?
 
Locutus
+1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Some people here are not 60+ years old, so no, I am not fully aware of all the possible grievances levied against finance ministers in the 70's.

Asking for clarification isn't a game. How can I form a reasoned opinion on something if I don't know what the person is referring to in the first place?

Are you stunned?

As mentioned, google the subject of the post.

Sorry Tay, we're still feeling the effects of Trudeau's finance ministers in the 70s.

the what?

the effects

what effects?

the effects of Trudeau's finance ministers in the 70s

https://www.google.ca/search?q=the+effects+of+Trudeau%27s+finance+minist ers+in+the+70s&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&gfe_rd=cr&ei=c75KU869HqmC8QfZyoDIB A

Now stop bothering us.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Seriously, if you are not just going to answer the question, then shut up.

Why do you love bickering so much?

I answered your question and I won't shut up, because your schtick (see underlined in bold) very annoying and repetitive.
 
BornRuff
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

It is clear, concise and accurate. What about this confounds you?

Lol, are you people all mad?

What exactly does he think the finance ministers did that was bad?

Where does it say that?
 
Locutus
#30
They say it's going up to 20 degrees today.
 
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