Bill would end Elections Canada vote drives


mentalfloss
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Are these guys ****ing sinister or what??

Bill would end Elections Canada vote drives

Among the controversial proposals in the Conservative government's proposed Fair Elections Act is one to eliminate Elections Canada campaigns encouraging Canadians to vote - no matter who for.

Pierre Poilievre, federal minister of state for democratic reform, says Elections Canada's out reach campaigns - which began in 2003 in response to decades of declining voter turnout, particularly among young voters - have failed to combat the troubling trend.

"I am not arguing that Elections Canada's advertising drives turnout down," Poilievre said in an email to Postmedia News on Wednesday. "Rather, it fails to drive turnout up, because it does not address the practical obstacles that prevent many from voting."

Jon Pammett, a political science professor at Carleton University, said Poilievre's equation reflects a flawed understanding of cause and effect.

"There's a name for this in statistics," Pammett said. "All this is based on simply a correlation."

True, voter turnout in Canada has failed to rebound significantly in the last 10 years. After falling sharply in the 1990s - from 71 per cent to 61 per cent - it hit an all-time low of 58.8 per cent in 2008 before recovering in 2011 to 61 per cent. But in the relationship between voter outreach and voter turnout, Pammett cautions that A plus B does not always equal C. "You simply don't know from simple observation of two things. It's quite possible that the decline would have been even greater if the campaigns weren't working."

Pammett notes that there hasn't been much research into the impact of Elections Canada's efforts to inspire youth to vote - from TV ads during some elections to school-based initiatives such as a mock election program. U.S. evidence, however, has shown that non-partisan campaigns do make a difference in getting people to vote, particularly among the young.

Celebrity-laced TV ads from the youth-oriented campaign Rock The Vote made a measurable impact during the 2004 presidential election, said Columbia University political scientist Donald P. Green, who suggested Poilievre could use a "remedial course in statistics."

"It's one thing to say governments should have no business encouraging voter turnout. ... But to say that such efforts do not work is demonstrably false."

Green, co-author of the 2008 book Get Out The Vote, said hundreds of randomized studies in the United States have identified best practices to engage voters.

Old-fashioned door-knocking by party volunteers has the biggest effect, he said, noting that campaigns by both the Democrats and the Republicans are credited with a more than five-point jump in voter turnout in the 2008 presidential election.

That echoes Poilievre's argument that by limiting Elections Canada to providing the bare bones basics of when, where and how to vote, "It will be left to aspiring candidates and parties to give people something for which to vote, and to reach out to citizens where they are."

But Green said Canada's campaign finance restrictions make it unlikely that political parties here would be able to carry out voter outreach campaigns on the scale seen in the United States, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

Elections Canada spokeswoman Diane Benson said it's unclear from the bill whether the agency would still be able to visit schools to promote voting or to partner with youth voter organizations such as Apathy Is Boring.

Asked if those programs would be affected, Poilievre's spokeswoman Gabrielle Renaud-Mattey responded: "The job of an election agency is to inform citizens of the basics of voting: where, when and what ID to bring."

Bill would end Elections Canada vote drives
Last edited by mentalfloss; Feb 20th, 2014 at 08:59 AM..
 
Walter
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What the hell is the StarPheonix?
 
mentalfloss
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What the hell is a left wing capitalist?
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

What the hell is a left wing capitalist?

Ain't no such thing. Crony-capitalists do exist.
 
mentalfloss
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You should really take a look in the mirror officer bubbles.

Anyway, the rest of us don't mind less democracy, do we?
 
tay
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It's hard to imagine a more outrageous performance in a Canadian parliament, or any parliament, than the one the Con MP Brad Butt offered up the other day.

By first announcing that he had "personally witnessed" people picking voter cards out of the garbage, and using them to commit electoral fraud.
And a few days later admitting he LIED.
But unfortunately for our democracy there is more than one Con clown. And the latest Con clown show stars Peter Van Loan....

For have you ever seen anything more oily or outrageous?

But of course, they may be Con clowns, but they are trying to steal the next election, like they tried to steal the last one.

They are the enemies of democracy. We must do whatever we can to stop them.

And in the name of human decency.

We can't get rid of them soon enough...







Who would dare claim, as only he could, that Butt shouldn't be held in contempt of Parliament for blatantly lying, as the opposition is demanding.
He should be PRAISED for correcting the record.
As everyone is, I am sure, aware, the presumption in this House is that we are all taken at our word, that the statements we make are truthful and correct. That we are given the benefit of that doubt brings with it a strong obligation on us, in the cases where a member misspeaks, to correct the record so that nobody is left with inaccurate perceptions.
In this particular instance, the member for Mississauga—Streetsville, has done exactly that. Having misspoken in this House and having realized his comments were in error, he has come to this House and corrected the record.
Without mentioning that the only reason Butt fessed up was because he was busted.
A Conservative MP’s retraction of a claim he witnessed voting fraud came after a formal complaint to Elections Canada.
Or even hinting that the reason Butt lied so blatantly, was to make it sound like voter fraud is so widespread we need the voter suppression bill aka the Fair Elections Act, that the Cons are ramming through Parliament.
Just like that other Con clown Pierre Poilievre has been trying to do...


By claiming there were THOUSANDS of cases.
Even though after extensive research by the Con Ministry of Democratic Reform aka The House of Poutine, he was only able to come up with the sorry case of these two clowns.
Two Montrealers have been given a slap on the wrist for taking part in a voting hoax that was featured on a popular French-language comedy show. Laura-Emmanuelle Gagne and Simon Poulin each received an extra voter information card prior to the 2011 federal election.
One was for their own electoral district and another was for a neighbouring district. They cast a ballot at two different polling stations to prove a point, with both spoiling their second ballot.
Which normally would have won Poilievre the Con Klown Award of the Month, had it not been for Van Loan's even more ridiculous performance.
Which I'm sorry to say you really must see to believe...





wwwyoutubecomwatchv3lUwuTEBdw4












 
El Barto
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When it comes to elections I would like to see it mandatory plus have it valid if one could pass a test as to know who's who to vote for.
As for campaigning I would like to see all publicity be shown strictly during a declared election campaign and strictly campaign about their plan for the party , no negative bashing of the other party.


True democracy would be valid if there was no parties .
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

When it comes to elections I would like to see it mandatory plus have it valid if one could pass a test as to know who's who to vote for.
As for campaigning I would like to see all publicity be shown strictly during a declared election campaign and strictly campaign about their plan for the party , no negative bashing of the other party.


True democracy would be valid if there was no parties .

To hell with free speech.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

To hell with free speech.

Coming from you I am not surprised you see it that way.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

You should really take a look in the mirror officer bubbles.

Anyway, the rest of us don't mind less democracy, do we?

Awwww... Is widdums upset 'cause the gubmint isn't going to pay millions begging him to vote?
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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Too bad it wouldn't end campaigns without pending election
 
tay
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Here's the thing with Canadian elections. We have worked the booths a few times for both Provincial and Federal elections and we can't recall a single incident where we were or anyone lese there, 'suspicious' of a particular person voting.


It's a straight forward process. You name is on the sheet or, if it isn't your address is verified and if you are at the wrong station, you are directed to the correct one, although I don't recall that happening either.


I suppose, if one was really full of energy they could go from Polling location to Polling location with different 'ID' but I don't know if anyone is that eager......
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

When it comes to elections I would like to see it mandatory plus have it valid if one could pass a test as to know who's who to vote for.

Not voting makes a statement without getting fined or jailed, though. Make voting mandatory and making a statement that way would be criminal. Not fair.
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As for campaigning I would like to see all publicity be shown strictly during a declared election campaign and strictly campaign about their plan for the party , no negative bashing of the other party.

That'd be ok, but a bit nannying. I can ignore campaign bashings very easily.

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True democracy would be valid if there was no parties .

And gov'ts actually followed the will of the majority.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

It's hard to imagine a more outrageous performance in a Canadian parliament, or any parliament, than the one the Con MP Brad Butt offered up the other day.

By first announcing that he had "personally witnessed" people picking voter cards out of the garbage, and using them to commit electoral fraud.
And a few days later admitting he LIED.
But unfortunately for our democracy there is more than one Con clown. And the latest Con clown show stars Peter Van Loan....

For have you ever seen anything more oily or outrageous?

But of course, they may be Con clowns, but they are trying to steal the next election, like they tried to steal the last one.

They are the enemies of democracy. We must do whatever we can to stop them.

And in the name of human decency.

We can't get rid of them soon enough...





Who would dare claim, as only he could, that Butt shouldn't be held in contempt of Parliament for blatantly lying, as the opposition is demanding.
He should be PRAISED for correcting the record.
As everyone is, I am sure, aware, the presumption in this House is that we are all taken at our word, that the statements we make are truthful and correct. That we are given the benefit of that doubt brings with it a strong obligation on us, in the cases where a member misspeaks, to correct the record so that nobody is left with inaccurate perceptions.
In this particular instance, the member for Mississauga—Streetsville, has done exactly that. Having misspoken in this House and having realized his comments were in error, he has come to this House and corrected the record.
Without mentioning that the only reason Butt fessed up was because he was busted.
A Conservative MP’s retraction of a claim he witnessed voting fraud came after a formal complaint to Elections Canada.
Or even hinting that the reason Butt lied so blatantly, was to make it sound like voter fraud is so widespread we need the voter suppression bill aka the Fair Elections Act, that the Cons are ramming through Parliament.
Just like that other Con clown Pierre Poilievre has been trying to do...


By claiming there were THOUSANDS of cases.
Even though after extensive research by the Con Ministry of Democratic Reform aka The House of Poutine, he was only able to come up with the sorry case of these two clowns.
Two Montrealers have been given a slap on the wrist for taking part in a voting hoax that was featured on a popular French-language comedy show. Laura-Emmanuelle Gagne and Simon Poulin each received an extra voter information card prior to the 2011 federal election.
One was for their own electoral district and another was for a neighbouring district. They cast a ballot at two different polling stations to prove a point, with both spoiling their second ballot.
Which normally would have won Poilievre the Con Klown Award of the Month, had it not been for Van Loan's even more ridiculous performance.
Which I'm sorry to say you really must see to believe...





wwwyoutubecomwatchv3lUwuTEBdw4















Kind of like the crosses are burning on the lawns in Pr. George as we speak statement by a certain high ranking Liberal politician. That one was at least funny.

Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Here's the thing with Canadian elections. We have worked the booths a few times for both Provincial and Federal elections and we can't recall a single incident where we were or anyone lese there, 'suspicious' of a particular person voting.


It's a straight forward process. You name is on the sheet or, if it isn't your address is verified and if you are at the wrong station, you are directed to the correct one, although I don't recall that happening either.


I suppose, if one was really full of energy they could go from Polling location to Polling location with different 'ID' but I don't know if anyone is that eager......

Having worked numerous elections in various capacities most of the problems I have seen have been caused by polling station staff not knowing the rules.
Funniest one I recall was one of the local right wing christians was most upset because the christian heritage party didn't have a candidate in our riding. SOmehow had the impression it was the government's responsibility to provide one.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Not voting makes a statement without getting fined or jailed, though. Make voting mandatory and making a statement that way would be criminal. Not fair.
That'd be ok, but a bit nannying. I can ignore campaign bashings very easily.

And gov'ts actually followed the will of the majority.

I believe we need to be responsible as voting citizens..it is our part and it should be taken seriously imo.


Nannying on who's part? I demand respect and maturity from those who will be our leaders.


Sad when the majority is only 35 % for a majority Government.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post


Sad when the majority is only 35 % for a majority Government.




Depends on how many parties are in the running.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Depends on how many parties are in the running.

Yes that is true , but still it is not a democracy
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

I believe we need to be responsible as voting citizens..it is our part and it should be taken seriously imo.

I agree. But I still say that not voting is a loud statement especially if only a minority want to vote. And the statement is mostly saying that people have no confidence in the people who are or those who want to govern.
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Nannying on who's part?

ElCan's. Like I said, I can easily ignore ads with bashing in them.
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I demand respect and maturity from those who will be our leaders.

Ditto
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Sad when the majority is only 35 % for a majority Government.

Yep.
 
Sal
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Jaded. Maybe if there was someone to vote for people would come out. As it stands all parties suck and one is the same as the other...corrupt just in different ways. Yup my vote counts, just don't know how any more.
 
lone wolf
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Maybe the ballot should include "None of the above"
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Depends on how many parties are in the running.

It's not democracy when the party you vote for looses, .....
But when they win .....It's a resounding majority .........
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Maybe the ballot should include "None of the above"

I'd like that. That would make the message even clearer.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

It's not democracy when the party you vote for looses, .....
But when they win .....It's a resounding majority .........

doesn't matter whose party wins, we are all going to continue to lose until we make the message clear
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

doesn't matter whose party wins, we are all going to continue to lose until we make the message clear

And staying home and limiting oneself to just voting isnt going to do that. People complain all the time about politics but dont tend to do anything about it. Waiting for someone else to come along and fix the problem will get people nowhere.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

And staying home and limiting oneself to just voting isnt going to do that. People complain all the time about politics but dont tend to do anything about it. Waiting for someone else to come along and fix the problem will get people nowhere.

perhaps, but from my perspective we have very limited influence on such things unless we are willing to put forth a huge effort and that may be said for all aspects of things within our lives... abortion, penal system sentencing, euthanasia, our health care system, death by choice etc... and each of our personalities is different and so are our gifts. To make a difference in this world we must work on knowing ourselves, our strengths and weaknesses and our skills and gifts, follow your passion and make a difference in the world where we best can.

Not all are called to work on our political system.
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Not voting makes a statement without getting fined or jailed, though. Make voting mandatory and making a statement that way would be criminal. Not fair.

Yeah, the a statement of indifference, apathy or just laziness. Politicians or candidates dont care about those who do not vote. They are useless to them and are doing nothing against them so they are a simple write off. Hell, they count on it and always have. Those attack ads dont change peoples votes, they just encourage more people to stay home.

The better option would be to show up and spoil the ballot. Shows you care about the system and are willing to show up and show dissatisfaction. It is the closest thing we have to a "None of the above" option. Voting isnt just a freedom, its a civic duty. You can be charged for refusing to perform others, why not voting too?

Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post


Not all are called to work on our political system.


If the problem gets bad enough, they may be. Many people throughout history have gone into fields not by choice but because they had to. Not always because someone was forcing them to, but the situation was.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

If the problem gets bad enough, they may be. Many people throughout history have gone into fields not by choice but because they had to. Not always because someone was forcing them to, but the situation was.

Usually those people who are pressed onto a path they have otherwise no knowledge of or have resisted are the hardest fighters. Desperation produces results. Our current politicians may soon realize this in ways they had not counted upon.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Awwww... Is widdums upset 'cause the gubmint isn't going to pay millions begging him to vote?

Yea, when the Liberals take office and start controlling the message, we'll see if you have a change of heart.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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I don't see why the government has to advertise and beg people to vote. If they want to vote they can. Or are we saying the average Canadian is too stupid to do so? Elections Canada should monitor the operations of the elections, prepare the lists, and investigate any fraudulent activity. That really should be their only role.

And taking it one step further, advertising, because it can be targeted, can be a tool for influencing an outcome of an election and should not be undertook by an impartial body such as Elections Canada. For example, if they target young people in urban centres, they may be swaying the vote to the NDPers or the Shiny Ponies. Targeting seniors may sway to the more Conservative side. Even if they don't do it intentionally it can leave a stench of meddling.

So I have no issue with this particular provision of the bill.
 
Zipperfish
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Bill would end Elections Canada vote drives??? Who's this Bill guy? A last name would be nice. Sheesh.
 
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