Harper dismisses 2000 scientists


mentalfloss
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Research cutbacks by government alarm scientists

Scientists across the country are expressing growing alarm that federal cutbacks to research programs monitoring areas that range from climate change and ocean habitats to public health will deprive Canadians of crucial information.

“What’s important is the scale of the assault on knowledge, and on our ability to know about ourselves and to advance our understanding of our world,” said James Turk, executive director of the Canadian Association of University Teachers.

In the past five years the federal government has dismissed more than 2,000 scientists, and hundreds of programs and world-renowned research facilities have lost their funding. Programs that monitored things such as smoke stack emissions, food inspections, oil spills, water quality and climate change have been drastically cut or shut down.

This week, scientists went public with concerns that irreplaceable science could be lost when Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) libraries are closed. DFO plans to shut down seven of its 11 libraries by 2015. Already, stories have emerged about books and reports thrown into dumpsters and the general public being allowed to rummage through bookshelves.

The government responded that the information will not disappear. On Monday, DFO told CBC News that “all of its copyrighted material has been digitized and that the rest of its collection will be soon.”

"Users will continue to have completely free access to every item in DFO’s collections. All materials for which DFO has copyright will be preserved by the department," Fisheries Minister Gail Shea wrote in a statement to CBC.

But Turk says the problem is not just the loss of existing library collections.

“It also means that going forward, whether it be policy analysts or scientists or members of the public, there won’t be a library there that collects material for them to use. So there’s not only the danger of losing what we’ve had, which may be irreplaceable, but it’s also in future, that resource isn’t going to be there in the first place.”


Research cutbacks by government alarm scientists
 
Walter
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They're alarmed becuz now they'll have to do real work.
 
Nuggler
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At least we no longer have to use that "invasive" long form census thingy. (insert rolling eyes for sarcasm. Some dipshyte stole me smilies)
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

(insert rolling eyes for sarcasm. Some dipshyte stole me smilies)


Fed cutbacks... You understand
 
Nuggler
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"The government responded that the information will not disappear. On Monday, DFO told CBC News that “all of its copyrighted material has been digitized and that the rest of its collection will be soon.”


That is a bold faced lie !! Some were - some were not. And all were chucked. Some burned. Read up on it. Should make you furious. But furious and a couple bucks will get you a Timmy's.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Fed cutbacks... You understand


Only too well, Captain, only too well. (insert lol for humour)
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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I'll loan you some of mine.

 
Locutus
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Quit picking on Harper.
 
relic
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Well, didn't he say you wouldn't recognize Canada when he was done with it ? Meby your GRANDFATHER would .
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Quit picking on Harper.




I will if you give me back my goddamn smileys. (insert middle finger for contempt and up yours)
 
Locutus
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angry7:
 
Nuggler
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Nice collection. Fukk you.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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angry7:

Hey Nug. Look what Loc just gave me.

Nah nah nah nah...
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post


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Oh you big meanie !! ( rotfl )
 
taxslave
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So where are these libraries?
 
petros
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You don't need to know.
 
Zipperfish
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I was one of those.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Research cutbacks by government alarm scientists


Research cutbacks by government alarm scientists

In the case of Climate Change... if the "debate is over" and the science is absolute, why do they need more funding?
 
petros
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There is too much redundancy with Fed and Provincal programs.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

There is too much redundancy with Fed and Provincal programs.

Of course there is. The same down here in the US. At least Canada is doing something about it and some Scientist are upset that the gravy train is ending.

Good for Canada.
 
petros
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There are plenty of jobs in the private sector opening up because of this. The Feds have been losing scientists to the private sector for quite some time. There is no money in working for the Feds.

By the way. You can get some great deals on lab and testing equipment.

These should come in handy on the farm.

https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?...1&sf=ferm-clos

Good deal huh?
 
EagleSmack
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Petros... some academics and scientist are perfectly happy living on government grants. Going out into the DPS (Dreaded Private Sector) requires real work.
 
petros
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Universities would rather have the labs and funding to create a far better learning environment which makes for better scientists.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Universities would rather have the labs and funding to create a far better learning environment which makes for better scientists.



Tuitions are up and grants down there also
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post



Tuitions are up and grants down there also



That's typically what happens.

 
Nuggler
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jobs jobs jobs
 
Goober
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Anyone with a lick of sense can see the slash and burn of Harper. Some cuts make sense, others do not
Tax auditors- cut- each position more than pays for itself/ Billions in overseas tax shelters, unreported and waiting for the Tax man to find. Information was provided to CCRA years ago.
Anyone hear of the rich ones going to court??
1 is a Senator.
 
Trex
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Well I guess the answer to the unspoken question is how many scientists latched on to the public teat does Canada need?

There is huge redundency in the Fed public sector and some of it needs to go.

On a typical resource extraction project the primary developer hires a private contracting company that uses it's scientists to evaluate environmental impacts.
Then the Province sends in it's public sector environmental assessment scientists to evaluate the impacts.
And then the Fed's spring to the fore and send in their own public sector scientists for yet another evaluation.
And then the municipality may or may not throw a few of their local experts into the mix.
And then First Nations and the greeny-weenies try to kill the project anyway.
I for one think there is room for some streamlining here.
And I think it needs to come from the taxpayer funded public sector.

When Harper and the Con's took over the governance of Canada they massively increased the Fed public sector.
And the Dip's and the Lib's howled that the Con's were increasing spending.
Now when Harper and the Con's start to cut the Fed public sector the Lib's and the Dip's are howling about job cuts.
You cannot have it both ways.
I for one am all for cutting the Fed public sector back to the size that the Fed Lib's had it at before Harper and the Con's built it up as a response to the
extended recession.
And that would mean lot's more layoffs in the future.

Oh, and those libraries that the Fed Con's are closing?
That is a typical opposition spin story.
The departments involved in maintaining those libraries have reported that some of them get less than 15 visitors a year.
Great jobs for the technicians and library specialists I suppose.
Harper and the Con's response: digitize every single book and publication and make it available online right across the country.
Put most of the physical publications into central storage.
Close the physical library building and lay off or repurpose the affected technicians, scientists and librarians.
I view this as a good news story.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by TrexView Post

Well I guess the answer to the unspoken question is how many scientists latched on to the public teat does Canada need?

Exactly!


Quote:

I view this as a good news story.

It is a GREAT news story!
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by TrexView Post

When Harper and the Con's took over the governance of Canada they massively increased the Fed public sector.
And the Dip's and the Lib's howled that the Con's were increasing spending.
Now when Harper and the Con's start to cut the Fed public sector the Lib's and the Dip's are howling about job cuts.
You cannot have it both ways.

So it has to be either or? For my line of work, there are two people that can audit our lab. We waited months for our approval to run new studies with new isolates, because we had to wait for the CFIA approval of our labs. Months. That meant lost productivity, in a private sector scientific field, that is a job creator. The government is a service provider too you know. The funding should be based on meaningful metrics, not some arbitrary %age cut/increase dreamed up by the PMO and Cabinet.

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Harper and the Con's response: digitize every single book and publication and make it available online right across the country.

And you believe that?
 
darkbeaver
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The government needs the positions for the influx of Israeli appointees.
 

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