Canada claims North Pole without scientific basis


mentalfloss
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Canada makes territorial claim for North Pole despite not mapping area yet

OTTAWA - Canada says it will try to extend its territorial claims in the Arctic all the way to the North Pole, although it hasn't yet fully mapped the area and does not have the scientific evidence to back the claim.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird says scientists have been asked to do additional work following a 10-year exercise in mapping Canada's continental shelf.

A formal scientific submission was made to the United Nations last week covering territorial claims in Atlantic, but the government says the material submitted for the Arctic Ocean is only preliminary.

Baird does not dispute reports that Prime Minister Stephen Harper stepped in at the last minute to insist that the North Pole be included in the claim, even though the geological justification for the claim — the Lomonosov Ridge — has not been fully mapped by Canada.

The U.N. submissions do not lead to a binding decision but lay the groundwork for future country-to-country negotiations over competing territorial claims in the Arctic that could take many years to resolve.

In all, the Canadian claims cover 1.2 million square kilometres of ocean, an area the size of Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.

Canada makes territorial claim for North Pole despite not mapping area yet
 
petros
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We have basis. Santa Claus has a postal code.
 
mentalfloss
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And his little helpers are making drones.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

And his little helpers are making drones.

Hey! How did you get my Wish List?

We only have a few years before the inter-glacial period ends and have to make the claims now.
 
BaalsTears
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Canada should be worrying about how it's going to hang on to its far north instead of making claims it lacks the power to enforce.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTearsView Post

Canada should be worrying about how it's going to hang on to its far north instead of making claims it lacks the power to enforce.

When it's frozen, it's lots easier to hang on to.
 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTearsView Post

Canada should be worrying about how it's going to hang on to its far north instead of making claims it lacks the power to enforce.

Our Canadian government are building more state of the art Navy boats to protect the north.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTearsView Post

Canada should be worrying about how it's going to hang on to its far north instead of making claims it lacks the power to enforce.

You mean like having satellite to monitor everything from Russia over the pole to down to mid USA?
 
BaalsTears
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Think about it:

China’s Snow Dragon icebreaker makes 85-day voyage to become country’s first vessel to cross Arctic Ocean | National Post

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

When it's frozen, it's lots easier to hang on to.

Global warming.

Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Our Canadian government are building more state of the art Navy boats to protect the north.

Good luck.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You mean like having satellite to monitor everything from Russia over the pole to down to mid USA?

Good idea.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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And well withing the treaty rights. Getting the initial claim in before the deadline was what mattered.
Ottawa delays full bid for claim to North Pole seabed - The Globe and Mail
 
damngrumpy
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To protect the investment in resources Canada should have made the territories
Provinces decades ago and this wouldn't be a problem but no save a few bucks
and wait till there is doubt then do something the Canadian way.
 
spaminator
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I wonder if the eskimos will start saying eh.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

To protect the investment in resources Canada should have made the territories
Provinces decades ago and this wouldn't be a problem but no save a few bucks
and wait till there is doubt then do something the Canadian way.

That does not detract from Canada's claim.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#14
I don't care how anyone spins it. North Pole is some 400 miles from the nearest landfall (Canadian) and Lomonsov Ridge is part of nobody's continental shelf. It's up for grabs.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by spaminatorView Post

I wonder if the eskimos will start saying eh.

I wonder if an Inuit would sock you in the kisser for call'n him an Eskimo?
 
spaminator
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I wonder if an Inuit would sock you in the kisser for call'n him an Eskimo?

sorry, I meant inuit.

I apologize to any eskimos and or inuits who may have been offended by my post.
 
BaalsTears
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The Inuit are the Skraelings of Norse legend.
 
tay
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Look who's moving in..........




Putin orders strong military presence in Arctic







Here is the Russkie's newest "boomer" or nuclear missile sub.



The Dolgoruky is the first of eight Borei-class boats that are planned to deploy with the Russian navy. The sub uses pump-jet propulsion.


It will carry Russia's new Bulava missiles said to have a 10,000 km. range.


That should be about all they would need to do in Europe and North America.













In addition to the boomers, the Russians are deploying a like number of nuclear-powered cruise missile subs that will also carry the Shkval torpedo capable of speeds underwater in excess of 200 knots (370 km/hr) at up to 10 mi. range. It's generally considered a "carrier buster" weapon.














President Vlad, has ordered the Russian military to resuscitate its Arctic presence by next year. That will entail new naval facilities and re-opening several air bases that have been mothballed since 1993.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday that a combined-arms force will be deployed in the Arctic in 2014 to protect the country’s interests in the region.

As part of the ambitious program, the Russian military is planning to reopen airfields and ports on the New Siberian Islands and the Franz Josef Land archipelago that were mothballed in 1993.

Shoigu said that at least seven mothballed military airfields on the continental part of the Arctic Circle will also be restored.

As for Canada, we're pretty much defenceless. Thanks Peter, thanks Steve.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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We have used British underseaboats which we have secretly fitted with the latest lowest bid underseaboat equipments including radioactive maple syrup spewing torpedoes. Who wants the north pole anyway.

Since the arctic has frozen solid (our intelligence was wrong about that I see) we can simply drive our massive infantry divisions directly from Ottawa accross the top of the planet directly into Moscow capturing the whole country by surprise.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Canada makes territorial claim for North Pole despite not mapping area yet

OTTAWA - Canada says it will try to extend its territorial claims in the Arctic all the way to the North Pole, although it hasn't yet fully mapped the area and does not have the scientific evidence to back the claim.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird says scientists have been asked to do additional work following a 10-year exercise in mapping Canada's continental shelf.

A formal scientific submission was made to the United Nations last week covering territorial claims in Atlantic, but the government says the material submitted for the Arctic Ocean is only preliminary.

Baird does not dispute reports that Prime Minister Stephen Harper stepped in at the last minute to insist that the North Pole be included in the claim, even though the geological justification for the claim — the Lomonosov Ridge — has not been fully mapped by Canada.

The U.N. submissions do not lead to a binding decision but lay the groundwork for future country-to-country negotiations over competing territorial claims in the Arctic that could take many years to resolve.

In all, the Canadian claims cover 1.2 million square kilometres of ocean, an area the size of Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.

Canada makes territorial claim for North Pole despite not mapping area yet

I totally agree. When it comes to determining a nation's territorial boundaries, it ought to be done in full accordance with international law. To claim any more than that is merely belligerance on our part.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Hey! How did you get my Wish List?

We only have a few years before the inter-glacial period ends and have to make the claims now.

Then why not claim Northern Russia too while we're at it?

Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Our Canadian government are building more state of the art Navy boats to protect the north.

Protect it from what?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I wonder if an Inuit would sock you in the kisser for call'n him an Eskimo?

I doubt it. I've met a few, and inasmuch as they may be offended, they'd probably just kindly let you know.

Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Look who's moving in..........




Putin orders strong military presence in Arctic







Here is the Russkie's newest "boomer" or nuclear missile sub.



The Dolgoruky is the first of eight Borei-class boats that are planned to deploy with the Russian navy. The sub uses pump-jet propulsion.


It will carry Russia's new Bulava missiles said to have a 10,000 km. range.


That should be about all they would need to do in Europe and North America.













In addition to the boomers, the Russians are deploying a like number of nuclear-powered cruise missile subs that will also carry the Shkval torpedo capable of speeds underwater in excess of 200 knots (370 km/hr) at up to 10 mi. range. It's generally considered a "carrier buster" weapon.














President Vlad, has ordered the Russian military to resuscitate its Arctic presence by next year. That will entail new naval facilities and re-opening several air bases that have been mothballed since 1993.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday that a combined-arms force will be deployed in the Arctic in 2014 to protect the country’s interests in the region.

As part of the ambitious program, the Russian military is planning to reopen airfields and ports on the New Siberian Islands and the Franz Josef Land archipelago that were mothballed in 1993.

Shoigu said that at least seven mothballed military airfields on the continental part of the Arctic Circle will also be restored.

As for Canada, we're pretty much defenceless. Thanks Peter, thanks Steve.

What a waste of Russian taxpayers' money. It would be economically and politically devastating for the Russians if they ever tried to attack Canada without just cause, not because Canada is militarily powerful, but because of the way Russia's other neighbours would react to Russia. Also, let's not forget that if the Afghans could beat the Soviets and give the US a run for their money, I'm sure Canadians could keep the Russian military busy too for quite a while.

Canada should just stick to building a solid legal case for its claims. Our population is about one tenth of Russia's, so the idea that we could outspend them militarily without going bankrupt short of promoting some kind of immigration boom for the next few decades is simply out of reach.
 
damngrumpy
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Just create more provinces out of what is left and the money we spend now
will come back in resources. Of course they won't do that they are too busy
selling us out to the people wanting to claim it, our neighbours to the south.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I totally agree. When it comes to determining a nation's territorial boundaries, it ought to be done in full accordance with international law. To claim any more than that is merely belligerance on our part.



Then why not claim Northern Russia too while we're at it?



Protect it from what?



I doubt it. I've met a few, and inasmuch as they may be offended, they'd probably just kindly let you know.



What a waste of Russian taxpayers' money. It would be economically and politically devastating for the Russians if they ever tried to attack Canada without just cause, not because Canada is militarily powerful, but because of the way Russia's other neighbours would react to Russia. Also, let's not forget that if the Afghans could beat the Soviets and give the US a run for their money, I'm sure Canadians could keep the Russian military busy too for quite a while.

Canada should just stick to building a solid legal case for its claims. Our population is about one tenth of Russia's, so the idea that we could outspend them militarily without going bankrupt short of promoting some kind of immigration boom for the next few decades is simply out of reach.

Dissolute are settled by the UN- Those are the rules the all signed on to.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I wonder if an Inuit would sock you in the kisser for call'n him an Eskimo?

I'm sure they would give a rodent's behind.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Dissolute are settled by the UN- Those are the rules the all signed on to.

Until the looser decides not to pay any attention to what the UN says.
 

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