Baird to Palestinians, You’ll face ‘consequences’

[darkbeaver]

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You’ll face ‘consequences’ from Canada if you take Israel to International Criminal Court: Baird to Palestinians


Mike Blanchfield, Canadian Press | 13/03/06 | Last Updated: 13/03/06 11:04 AM ET
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NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP/Getty ImagesForeign Minister John Baird speaks at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee annual policy conference in Washington earlier this week.


OTTAWA — Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird has told a powerful pro-Israel lobby that Palestinians will feel “consequences” from Canada if they pursue the Jewish state at the International Criminal Court.
Baird issued the warning just as the federal government considers whether to end hundreds of millions of dollars in Canadian humanitarian aid to the Palestinians when it expires at the end of this month.
Baird delivered his message to an approving audience Sunday in Washington at the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Canada strongly opposed the Palestinians’ successful effort in November to win elevated status at the UN, and has warned them against using it to file an international legal complaint against Israel.
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db Foreign Minister John Baird speaks at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the largest private lobby group on earth, and makes them promises in the name of Canadians. He is a fine candidate for treason charges. If there is any sense of justice and dignity left in Canada this man and all those like him will answer in a Canadian court free of all zionist israeli interference. db

 

[MHz]

The First Nations should approach the ICC as the conditions are not dissimilar in that the Canadian Court system has failed to rule fairly in all cases brought before them. Give Ottawa something worthwhile to think about.

 

[Walter]

If the Palestinians sue in international court they will lose because there will have to be full disclosure and the Palestinians are hiding an awful lot.

 

[MHz]

They aren't the one with the most to lose, compared to what Israel is doing to them what the **** could Canada do to increase their misery. 138 countries in the UN wanted then recognized, Canada's no vote only showed how much of a tool we are for Israels demands.

On our own we couldn't even take on Syria and have a hope of winning.

 

[CDNBear]

They aren't the one with the most to lose...

Actually they are.

A couple things a nation has to have are control and accountability. If factions within that nation commit crimes beyond that nations borders, with or without that nations approval, they're a failed state.

Do you know what that would mean for Palestine?

138 countries in the UN wanted then recognized, Canada's no vote only showed how much of a tool we are for Israels demands.

There wouldn't have been a need for a vote if they just said sure we'll be a country called Palestine, way back when.

On our own we couldn't even take on Syria and have a hope of winning.

LOL, the Bosnians thought the same thing.

They were stupid and wrong as well.

 

[MHz]

Actually they are.

No, they don't need the shielding a UN vetoes by the US or anybody, that is the only think keeping Israel alive. (as in repeeling UN 181 as being an illegal document and events would certainly put UN 273 into question.

A couple things a nation has to have are control and accountability. If factions within that nation commit crimes beyond that nations borders, with or without that nations approval, they're a failed state.

Describes Israel (and the US) to a tee.

Do you know what that would mean for Palestine?

A slap on the wrist and many Israeli's visiting the hanging tree. War crimes, forced deportation of natural citizens. Developing 'occupied territories' for financial gain as in the Golan Height agriculture and the proposed drilling for oil stand out plain as day where no reasonable defense is possible.

There wouldn't have been a need for a vote if they just said sure we'll be a country called Palestine, way back when.

They were under no obligation to take the deal.

LOL, the Bosnians thought the same thing.

They were stupid and wrong as well.

Canada wasn't there 'on their own',(not real impressed with your reading comprehension) it was a NATO operation.

NATO/IFOR Homepage

 

[CDNBear]

No, they don't need the shielding a UN vetoes by the US or anybody, that is the only think keeping Israel alive. (as in repeeling UN 181 as being an illegal document and events would certainly put UN 273 into question.

Babbling will get you nowhere.

Describes Israel (and the US) to a tee.

Not even remotely.

It comes as no surprise that you aren't capable of understanding the comment, lol.

A slap on the wrist and many Israeli's visiting the hanging tree.

I didn't think you were bright enough to know, lol.

They were under no obligation to take the deal.

I never said they were, lol.

But their country would be bigger and they'd be better off (Maybe) than they are today.

Canada wasn't there 'on their own',(not real impressed with your reading comprehension) it was a NATO operation.

Although I miss spoke, not that it matters, you weren't bright enough to catch my error anyways, LMAO, ya Canada never fought the Croatians alone...

Wow, you bring a whole new meaning to stupid.

 

[MHz]

But their country would be bigger and they'd be better off (Maybe) than they are today.

Wow, you bring a whole new meaning to stupid.

Just like the First Nations thought they would be better of after signing the Treaties, it brought on an escalation in totment and persecution from the 'winners'.

And you fit all the requirements for a ****tard, so what is your point?

 

[CDNBear]

Just like the First Nations thought they would be better of after signing the Treaties, it brought on an escalation in totment and persecution from the 'winners'.

100% conjecture (You should look it up, you fill posts with enough of it, lol).

And you fit all the requirements for a ****tard...

It comes as no surprise that you think anyone that embarrasses you so badly, is a ****tard, lol.

... so what is your point?

Nothing really, just pointing out how little you know and idiotic you truly are, lol.

 

[damngrumpy]

There will indeed be consequences, there are nations in the west who could and likely
will put an end to the aid money they need to function. Funny how much of the aid
comes from countries the Palestinians and the Arabs criticise.
The western powers should in fact put a condition on the aid money they float to pay the
worlds bills enough I say. This does not mean the Israelis are pure without sin they are
but this is getting out of hand

 

[MHz]

There will indeed be consequences, there are nations in the west who could and likely
will put an end to the aid money they need to function. Funny how much of the aid
comes from countries the Palestinians and the Arabs criticise.
The western powers should in fact put a condition on the aid money they float to pay the
worlds bills enough I say. This does not mean the Israelis are pure without sin they are
but this is getting out of hand

The Arabs would be more than happy to send them money if it was not for Israel being the banker, so raelly any aid is going to Isreal do do with as they please. Stupid is to be expected to a certain degree, you and the usual suspect actually train yourself to become more stupid each and every day.

(in part)
Under the terms of past agreements, Israel is obliged to collect certain taxes on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, but often withholds those funds when diplomatic disputes break out. The most recent was in December, after the UN recognized Palestine as a “non-member state” and Israel announced a sudden enormous debt to the state-owned Israeli power company was being paid by withholding all Palestinian funds for months on end.
Despite Promise, Israel Still Withholding Palestinian Tax Money -- News from Antiwar.com

 

[CDNBear]

The Arabs would be more than happy to send them money if it was not for Israel being the banker, so raelly any aid is going to Isreal do do with as they please.

Liar.

Stupid is to be expected to a certain degree, you and the usual suspect actually train yourself to become more stupid each and every day.

You are one of the Usual Suspects, LMAO!!!

 

[MHz]

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You are one of the Usual Suspects, LMAO!!!

Pay attention, the ones with no caps (or brains apparently if you can't figure out who 'you' is) is you and a few others that share you version of things.

 

[CDNBear]

Pay attention, the ones with no caps (or brains apparently) is you and a few others that share you version of things.

If they have no brains, than you would be referring to you and the other Usual Suspects, caps or not.

 

[earth_as_one]

Every time Baird opens his mouth regarding this conflict, he embarrasses Canada on the world stage. Canada should stand on the side of rule of law, freedom and justice. Instead, the Harper government has sided with one side's war criminals in an ethnic cleansing war.

If Israelis have done nothing wrong, then they should welcome a chance to face "false allegations" in the ICC. But even Israel knows they have violated a long list of international laws, treaties and conventions since its creation... effectively Israel is a rogue state. Baird's statement and threats to collectively punish millions of Palestinians proves he also knows that the ICC would likely conclude that Israelis have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Palestinian Access to the ICC Could Open Door for Justice to Victims
Israel/Palestine: New Abuses, No Justice | Human Rights Watch

Israel's creeping annexation of Palestine and creation of Jewish only colonies on land supposedly reserved for a future Palestinian state are war crimes:
Israel must withdraw all settlers or face ICC, says UN report | World news | guardian.co.uk

Canada should have one policy regarding war criminals.

I agree with the Canadian government's policies regarding Palestinian war criminals. War crimes should have consequences. But I disagree with the Harper government's unshakable support of Israeli war criminals. Effectively Canada is aiding and abetting war crimes. Our government has sided with oppression and injustice. Most of the rest of the world is aware, even if most Canadians aren't.

Israel is an occupying power and cannot legally displace the population and transfer their own population into Israeli only colonies on land they acquired by conquest.

MHz is correct that Israel controls Palestinian aid money. They also collect Palestinian taxes and control Palestinian borders..

Many countries and individuals who would like to help Palestinians, can't do so, because any money they give, would simply be stolen by Israeli war criminals and used to oppress Palestinians and create new injustices.

No matter how you look at this, whether or not you support Israeli war criminals, or like me oppose all war criminals... we should all be able to recognize that Palestinians have suffered more than 60+ years of injustice and oppression.

While people suffer oppression and injustice, they will struggle for freedom and justice.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I oppose both Palestinian and Israeli war criminals. I only support non-violent Palestinian, Israeli and international efforts to free Palestinians from Israeli tyranny. Canadians should know that 99.5% of Palestinians are not violent and non-violent efforts to achieve Palestinian freedom and justice deserve Canada's recognition and support.

Americans (and Canadians) are largely unaware of the struggling but vibrant grassroots nonviolent movement in Palestine, because the U.S. corporate media prefers a simple, flawed story of Palestinian terrorist attacks and Israeli retaliation.

In the U.S. media, Palestinians generally aren’t allowed to speak for themselves or to articulate their historical narrative. Israelis, however, are permitted to speak, to explain the Israeli experience and even to explain about Palestinians. As a result, the Israeli story is known in the U.S. while Palestinians are dehumanized.

The reporting by The New York Times, often cited as the standard for U.S. media, typifies the problem. The Times publishes daily news articles on Israel/Palestine, including countless articles about armed Palestinian resistance. However, the New York Times and the U.S. media more generally almost never report on what 99.5% of Palestinians have done every day of their lives for the last 38 years — nonviolently resist Israeli occupation.

Over the last three years the New York Times has published only three feature articles on Palestinian nonviolent resistance. This despite the fact that Palestinians have conducted hundreds of nonviolent protests over the last three years throughout the West Bank against Israel’s construction of the Wall on Palestinian land, and despite the fact that the Israeli army killed nine Palestinian protesters, wounded several thousand protesters, harassed and collectively punished villages that protested, and arrested hundreds of protesters, including nonviolent protest leaders.

The invisibility of Palestinian Nonviolent Resistance in the New York Times | The Electronic Intifada

 

[CDNBear]

Instead, the Harper government has sided with one side's war criminals in an ethnic cleansing war.

Would you be happier if he was on your side, siding with your terrorist buddies?

... effectively Israel is a rogue state.

Even though the term is subjective and still just a theoretical term at that, Israel doesn't meet the three main theoretical criteria.

Is there any topic you bring up that you actually know what you're talking about in?

Baird's statement and threats to collectively punish millions of Palestinians proves he also knows that the ICC would likely conclude that Israelis have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Or maybe he knows that Palestine meets the three main theoretical criteria to be a rogue state and he's warning them they may not like what they get, lol.

Palestinian Access to the ICC Could Open Door for Justice to Victims
Israel/Palestine: New Abuses, No Justice | Human Rights Watch

It would also open the door to Palestine being held accountable.

Canada should have one policy regarding war criminals.

It does.

Effectively Canada is aiding and abetting war crimes.

I've always seen Canada's aid to Palestine, just that.

Our government has sided with oppression and injustice.

Nonsense, they don't support your terrorist buddies.

Oh wait, they do.

Most of the rest of the world is aware, even if most Canadians aren't.

There you go, insulting Canadians again. Troll.

MHz is correct that Israel controls Palestinian aid money.

No he isn't, stop lying troll.

... effectively Israel is a failed state.

LMAO!!!

Many countries and individuals who would like to help Palestinians, can't do so, because any money they give, would simply be stolen by Israeli war criminals and used to oppress Palestinians and create new injustices.

Liar.

Seriously EAO, you should at least not make a fool out of yourself when you're trolling.

 

[Machjo]

Why is Canada sticking its nose in other nations' business again, and why is it threatening Palestine's exercise of its right? Do we not believe in a fair trial? Let them go and let the court decide. Is there something to hide?

 

[CDNBear]

I oppose both Palestinian and Israeli war criminals.

Liar.

I only support non-violent Palestinian...

Liar.

Canadians should know that 99.5% of Palestinians are not violent and non-violent efforts to achieve Palestinian freedom and justice deserve Canada's recognition and support.

We do, Canada is sending 300 million to Palestine.

Not through Israel, lol.

Is there something to hide?

Oh my yes!

Palestine meets the theoretical criteria of both a failed state and a rogue state.

The ramifications are serious.

 

[captain morgan]

Why is Canada sticking its nose in other nations' business again, and why is it threatening Palestine's exercise of its right? Do we not believe in a fair trial? Let them go and let the court decide. Is there something to hide?

This is why Canada is sticking it's nose in here:
Canada

As far as the fair trial is concerned; should we hold the proceedings in Israel close to the border where the errant Palestinian missiles are being lobbed over the border?

 

[Machjo]

Liar.

Liar.

We do, that's Canada is sending 300 million to Palestine.

Not through Israel, lol.

Oh my yes!

Palestine meets the theoretical criteria of both a failed state and a rogue state.

The ramifications are serious.

So then why does Baird not let them get grilled at the World Court. Would that not be better than the impression that Baird opposes the legal process?