Oil-sands criticism ‘incrementally helped’ Mulcair

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Oil-sands criticism ‘incrementally helped’ Mulcair

NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair’s complaint that unrestrained development of the Alberta oil sands is hurting other parts of the Canadian economy does not seem to have diminished support for his party.

A new poll by Nanos Research – one that was conducted two weeks after Mr. Mulcair was denounced by three Western premiers for saying resource development had afflicted Canada with a case of “Dutch disease” – suggests the federal New Democrats had the support of 33.6 per cent of decided voters while the Conservatives had the backing of 33.5 per cent.

While that puts the two parties in a statistical tie, it is the first time Nanos polls have ever had the NDP numerically ahead of the Tories.

It’s an indication that Canadians are not running, en masse, away from the New Democrats after Mr. Mulcair said the developers of the oil sands must pay a greater price for the toll they are taking on the environment because their success is driving up the dollar and hurting a wide range of industries, including manufacturing, fishing and forestry.

Mr. Mulcair’s statements, which prompted a brief war of words with the premiers of Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba and forced the NDP Leader to make a conciliatory trip to the West, were interpreted by critics as a gaffe. They certainly sparked the first major challenge he has faced during his turn as party leader.

But “there is no massive blow-back on what he’s done and it’s actually incrementally helped the New Democrats,” said Nik Nanos, president of the polling firm. “The NDP’s pitting the Prairies against the rest of Canada and linking that to jobs and the environment looks like a positive strategy.”

While the survey suggests that support for the New Democrats fell in the Prairie provinces during the time the comments about Dutch disease were in the news, support increased in British Columbia and Quebec and held steady elsewhere.

Quebec and British Columbia are two key provinces for the NDP, Mr. Nanos said. But the Prairies, he said, are not critical for the party to hold on to the job of Official Opposition and to be competitive nationally.

The telephone poll of 1,201 randomly selected adult Canadians was conducted between May 26 and 31. The responses of the 1,006 people who indicated that they are committed voters are considered to accurately reflect the broad opinions of the Canadian public within 3.1 percentage points 19 times out of 20.

The survey suggested that the Liberals were up slightly in popular support, from 23.3 per cent in April to 24.9 per cent a month later. But that increase is within the margin of error and still leaves them well behind the other two parties.

“What the research suggests is, at this point in time, the NDP are the key counterpoint for Canadians to the Harper government,” Mr. Nanos said. “Because the Liberals have not had as high a profile, because they still have an interim leader, because there hasn’t been a significant focus on their leadership, they have basically ceded the non-Harper universe to the New Democrats in the short term and Thomas Mulcair has stepped into that vacuum.”

And, in terms of support for the parties, Mr. Nanos said, “if you are Stephen Harper, you can’t be happy being tied with Thomas Mulcair.”

Oil-sands criticism 'incrementally helped' Mulcair - Globe and Mail
 

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REGINA - Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall is taking federal NDP Leader Tom Mulcair to task for what Wall says are wealth transfer policies "masquerading" as environmental policies.

Wall says Mulcair's talk of internalizing environmental costs for the resource sector sounds like code for cap-and-trade or a carbon tax.

The premier told 2,200 supporters at a dinner in Regina that such policies are a risk to Saskatchewan's prosperity.

"What we are doing in Saskatchewan, what you are building in Saskatchewan is creating opportunity for people from across this country from sea to sea to sea. What you are doing in Saskatchewan is not just good for Saskatchewan, it is good for Canada and don't let anyone ever tell you different," Wall said.

"We need to be ready to defend our interests."

The two starting trading barbs last month after Mulcair said the booming oil sector was hurting other parts of the economy by driving up the dollar - a phenomenon known as Dutch disease.

Mulcair said his vision of environmentally sustainable development is one in which polluters pay the costs of cleaning up their messes. He has said his polluter-pay principle does not single out the West but would apply to the development of all natural resources right across the country.

Wall, Alberta Premier Alison Redford, and B.C.'s Christy Clark have called Mulcair's comments divisive.
"In trying to extricate themselves from this mistake, Mr. Mulcair and the national NDP are saying 'our problem is not with the premiers. Our problem is with the prime minister,' "Wall said Thursday.

"My message to them tonight is just this: if you are aspirants to 24 Sussex, to be the national government and you are espousing wealth transfer policies dressed up as environmental policies that would kill jobs in Saskatchewan, that would drive (up) energy rates in the province, that would threaten our opportunity and our ability to contribute to this country like we've never contributed before, then your problem is with this premier and it is with this government and it is with the province of Saskatchewan."
 

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Keep fighting the good fight.

It will only make the situation rosier for the opposition.
 

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Not really. How did NDP manage to lose damn near every seat they had in the west in the first place?

Extremely loaded question.

They actually have more support in the west now, than they did prior to the election.

 

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Someone has problems reading graphs...Manitoba and Saskatchewan 29% at the election, 34% now. BC, 33% at the election and now at 39%. Alberta, 17% at the election, 19% now. That pretty much covers the West doesn't it? :lol:
 

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Someone doesn't give a **** about graphs as the end all be all. MB and SK aren't one province with one political ideal.

Do you need a graph or a map even?
 

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Graphs are for people that dont get out and see things with their own eyes.

Nope. Completely wrong. Graphs are for illustrating data.

It is their way of explaining something they dont understand.

Funny coming from someone who doesn't understand what a graph is.

Someone doesn't give a **** about graphs as the end all be all.

They aren't the end all be all. But you couldn't even look at those graphs and see that all regions in the West show a rise in NDP support.

Durp.
 

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3 of 3? Need glasses to see the graph and your fingers?
Nope.
Someone has problems reading graphs...Manitoba and Saskatchewan 29% at the election, 34% now. BC, 33% at the election and now at 39%. Alberta, 17% at the election, 19% now. That pretty much covers the West doesn't it? :lol:

Manitoba and Saskatchewan estimate, up. Alberta estimate, up. BC estimate, up. That's 3 of 3. Understand?

1/3 isn't justified at all.
 

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"Oil-sands criticism ‘incrementally helped’ Mulcair"

That's good, because dutch disease is only incrementally part of the problem.
 

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Nope. Completely wrong. Graphs are for illustrating data.



Funny coming from someone who doesn't understand what a graph is.



They aren't the end all be all. But you couldn't even look at those graphs and see that all regions in the West show a rise in NDP support.

Durp.
I remember the graphs 30 years ago,good thing I didnt plan my life around them.Trying to predict the future has allways been a hard thing to do,too many variables.
 

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I remember the graphs 30 years ago,good thing I didnt plan my life around them.

That's a strawman. Nobody here is suggesting you plan your life according to a graph...

Trying to predict the future has allways been a hard thing to do,too many variables.

Hard yes, too many? No. There are always some with better insight and vision. Some economists warned about an imminent financial crash before it was apparent.

And by the way, that opinion poll isn't a prediction of the future. It's a snapshot taken in time of...public opinion. Polls like economists, some are better than others.

And as far as graphs go, I will guarantee you that the engineers and project managers that were working on the development of the new technology for reclamation of those tailings ponds you talked so much about, were looking at graphs of the results of the treatments they were investigating.