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Tories knew last year shopping list of military equipment was ‘unaffordable,’ documents show

OTTAWA — The Conservative government knew as far back as last year that Defence Department budget cuts had made its multi-billion-dollar shopping list of military equipment “unaffordable,” Postmedia News has learned.

As a result, National Defence officials have been urging the government since May 2011 to push the reset button and re-evaluate “the level of ambition” for its vaunted plan to rebuild the Canadian Forces.

The Canada First Defence Strategy, the centrepiece of the Conservative government’s long-term vision for the military, was unveiled with much fanfare in May 2008 and promised to invest $490 billion in new equipment and upgrades over the next 20 years.

“The Canada First Defence Strategy will strengthen our sovereignty and our security,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper said at the time.

“Our government will ensure that Canadian Forces have the personnel and equipment they need to do their job, to protect our values and project our interests, to fulfil Canada’s international commitments, to keep our true north strong and free.”

The long list of projects includes building a fleet of new naval vessels, dozens of new military aircraft and hundreds of vehicles for the army, as well as important upgrades and refits for existing equipment.

But briefing notes prepared for Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino weeks after the last federal election and obtained through Access to Information show he was warned billions of dollars in spending reductions had rendered the Canada First Defence Strategy impossible to fulfill.

“The funding reductions from Budget 2010 and the reduced funding line going forward will make the Canada First Defence Strategy (CFDS) unaffordable,” reads the briefing material.

“The department will be challenged to deliver on the CFDS commitments as a result of forecasted decreases in funding and increased in costs,” it adds.

A key part of the Canada First Defence Strategy was annual increases to the defence budget over the next two decades. But the 2010 federal budget cut those increases in half. This past federal budget went further, ordering $1.1 billion in spending reductions over the next three years over and on top of $1.1 in budget cuts this year.

The briefing material notes that the government has planned to undertake periodic reviews of the strategy, the first of which was to be undertaken last year. To that end, National Defence officials recommended the government “conduct a CFDS Reset to confirm the level of ambition,” among other things.

An official in Defence Minister Peter MacKay’s office confirmed Monday that the strategy is being reviewed, but he would not offer specifics, including whether the plan to invest $490 billion over 20 years has changed.

“Minister MacKay is working with Minister Fantino and officials to refresh the Canada First Defence Strategy,” Jay Paxton said in an email. “Until this work is complete, it would be misleading and disingenuous to allocate an investment amount to such an important document.”

Philippe Lagasse, an expert on military procurement at the University of Ottawa, said the Conservative government intentionally built up a reputation for supporting the military even though it was hard-pressed to fulfil the commitments laid out in the Canada First Defence Strategy from the beginning.

“It hasn’t been affordable from the outset,” Lagasse said. “It’s based on a very optimistic assessment of costs. If they’d managed to procure things out of the gate, they might have been able to afford everything.”


The Conservatives now have the unenviable task, he said, of choosing to cut specific projects entirely or scaling back on the number vehicles purchased, for example — either of which would affect the military’s capabilities.

Meanwhile, Fantino’s briefing package also notes that “time delays and cost pressures” had significantly affected progress on replacing the navy’s destroyers and frigates, acquiring new search-and-rescue aircraft, and a plan to buy new maritime patrol aircraft.

It went on to state that the purchase of new armoured vehicles as well as F-35 stealth fighters to replace the country’s aging fleet of CF-18 fighter jets was “currently assessed as being on time and on budget.”

The government has since restarted the process for buying close combat vehicles and changed the way it is replacing the CF-18s after a scathing auditor general’s report was released in April.

Tories knew last year shopping list of military equipment was ‘unaffordable,’ documents show | News | National Post
 
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No matter which government is in charge,they will always make idiotic choices,if its not expensive jets,its helicopters which also cost too much for what they'll be used for,Blackhawks helicopter can do rescue at sea without crapload of electronics in them,or wasting billions of dollars on 4 crappy subs the british canibalised and left rusting before selling them to us,subs we do not need (i think)
 

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F-35 production worries U.S. Senate committee: ‘Potentially serious issue’ with warfare capability

WASHINGTON — Canadians aren’t the only ones with misgivings about the proposed F-35 fighter jet procurement plan.

The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday questioned the quality of production on the Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, citing a “potentially serious issue” with its electronic warfare capability.

“The committee is … concerned about production quality and whether it is sufficient to ensure the delivery of JSF aircraft to the U.S. and its allies at an affordable price,” the committee said in a report accompanying its fiscal 2013 defence budget bill.

Italy has already scaled back its planned orders for the new, radar-evading warplane and several other countries are slowing their orders, citing budgetary pressures. Japan has warned it could cancel its order if the cost per plane rises from what it was offered.

Lockheed is building the new radar-evading fighters for the U.S. military and eight foreign countries helping to fund its development, Britain, Norway, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Turkey, Australia and Italy. Japan and Israel have also ordered the fighters for their militaries.

Questions over the quality of production of the F-35 will compound the mounting woes of the $396 billion Pentagon program, which has already been restructured three times in recent years to extend the development phase and slow production.

The committee said it was troubled by the average rate of scrap, rework and repair at Lockheed’s Fort Worth, Texas facility from 2009 through the first two months of 2012, but gave no details.

“Inattention to production quality” had led to the discovery of a potentially serious issue with an aperture on the plane that was critical to its electronic warfare capability, the report said. The full extent of the problem was not known, but it underscored the need for the Pentagon and Lockheed to “rigorously manage production quality,” it said.

Lockheed has hired about 200 temporary workers to keep production of the F-35 and F-16 fighters on track at the Fort Worth plant, where 3,300 union workers are in the seventh week of a strike over pension and health care benefits.

Lockheed says the new workers are being carefully trained, but union officials have questioned whether the quality of production — already an issue — would be maintained by workers with less experience on the complex weapons system.

No new talks have been scheduled.

The Pentagon projects the cost to develop and buy 2,443 planes for the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps will be around $396-billion.

The committee’s report reiterated long-standing congressional concerns that Lockheed is already producing planes even as testing continues, which can lead to costly retrofits.

The most recent restructuring added 33 months and $7.9-billion to the development plan.

The report also cited concern about lack of progress on software development for the new aircraft, noting that “the potential cascading effect of failures to deliver software … can be particularly pernicious.”

No comment was immediately available from the Pentagon’s F-35 program office or Lockheed about the Senate report.

The Senate report said it was hopeful that the Pentagon’s new acquisition approach to the program — which more closely ties orders for future planes to contractor performance — would help address the software and production quality issues.

But it said the approach required “a very clear, specific and realistically achievable set of performance criteria” that made it clear to Lockheed how its performance would be assessed.

The committee directed the Pentagon to provide these criteria to the congressional defense committees so they could be assessed before they were implemented.

Lockheed and the Pentagon have been negotiating for over five months about a contract for a fifth batch of 32 planes, but the two sides are still far apart, a source familiar with the issue told Reuters last week.
Last week, Lockheed Chief Executive Bob Stevens said his company was working hard to drive down overheads, but the Pentagon’s demands for ever more cost data were adding to the very overhead costs the government wants to see lowered.

F-35 production worries U.S. Senate committee: ‘Potentially serious issue’ with warfare capability | News | National Post
 

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Growing pains.

Aren't titles great... "electronic warfare" capability to "warfare" capability.
 

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Again do we need toys like this,apparently the enemies we face now are using flintstones weapons.

"Yabadabadoo"


That's all fine and good as long as that is all you think you'll ever face.

 

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Two points. First, the US didn't force Canada to buy the F-35. My Canadian brothers and sisters have only themselves to blame.

Second, the Canadian far north in not secure. Let's not even pretend that it is. This is where my beloved Canadian friends need someone who sees them as kith and kin.
 

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I can see those being a benefit over Canadian territory as nobody is shooting at them. In a war all the hardware and drivers belong to NATO I could be wrong but that would make us an enemy so not the best move even if it could be made. Here is a 'plot' and using all the best hardware against hardware as the pilots (if there are any) are sitting someplace other than in the 'hot-seat'. How would those planes help in that war when the defense is walking around on the ground reloading the launchers guided by 'software' nearby on ships or planes high above or some other hardware that is already at an arms sale so it works as advertised. Russia coming in as an invited Allie (and a security member) could have them bring in as many as any of the Gulf wars and Gaza from '67 on would be allowed just because that was. Foreign fighters will be friendless in hostile territory thing the captured won't squeal when water-boarded (with salt-water).

Could a hi tech war be fought over a place like Syria and just confined to there (requiring a new thread) for a long period of time (the whole goal as war means moving things around and making a lot of money doing it. With war there is no gain so it leaves me wondering, 'why go along with it'? Just decide what you want moved and how much you are willing to pay. Since you are the labor you get to decide what to build as a place to go when you want a rest from the real labor, keeping as many alive and healthy as you can just so if something comes up there is a whole bunch of hands so the likely hood of success is, how do you say, increased.

Anyway a long war over a desert area is the least damaging to civilians, (easy for me to say as I live in a forested region) Could Russian equipment and Chinese equipment and Iranian equipment and 'hired guns to drive the stuff at the expert level' make mincemeat of an F-35 in just the first few rounds of combat? If the news came up that we lost them all on a single day would we up our order 10 fold more?

In Syria, foreign intervention will only shed more blood | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian
 

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Two points. First, the US didn't force Canada to buy the F-35. My Canadian brothers and sisters have only themselves to blame.

Second, the Canadian far north in not secure. Let's not even pretend that it is. This is where my beloved Canadian friends need someone who sees them as kith and kin.

Plus Canada helped design it. Canada has skin in the game already.
 

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Which of the designers left out the ability to seek and follow and overtake and destroy missiles?
 
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What are they expecting to find up there to stop?

Do modern missile flight control surfaces have that little Avro Arrrow notch in them, after all tha change allowed the model to hit mach 2.5. missile speeds