Quebec’s anti-protest legislation tramples basic rights: legal experts

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Quebec’s anti-protest legislation tramples basic rights: legal experts

Even as the Quebec legislature continued Friday morning its section-by-section adoption of a special law to stop this spring’s student protests, legal experts are saying the legislation goes too far and contravenes fundamental rights.

Bill 78, which lawmakers debated during an all-night session after Premier Jean Charest’s government tabled it Thursday evening, sets multiple requirements on public demonstrations and threatens stiff penalties to people who disrupt college and university classes.

The legislation has a time limit, expiring on July 1, 2013.

Backed by Quebec’s powerful union leaders, student leaders targeted by the law said Friday they are contemplating a campaign of civil disobedience.

“The protests will continue and we are not excluding the possibility of disobeying the law. Sometimes when you are facing this kind of action, that is the only response,” said Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, the leader of CLASSE, the more militant of the three main student groups.

On Friday, the Quebec Bar Association warned that it had “serious concerns” about the law’s constitutionality.

“This bill, if adopted, is a breach to the fundamental, constitutional rights of the citizens,” the bar association president, bâtonnier Louis Masson, said in a statement.

“The scale of its restraints on fundamental freedoms isn’t justified by the objectives aimed by the government.”

He was referring to the bill’s most controversial elements:

* Section 16, which says that police has to be informed eights hours ahead of the time, duration and route of any demonstration by 10 or more people or more. (Friday morning the government appeared ready to increase that number to 25.)
* Section 17, which says that organizers, or even a student association taking part in the march without being its organizer, must make sure that the event complies with the parameters handed to police.

“The government is making it harder for people to organize spontaneous demonstrations. It is a limit on freedom of speech,” Mr. Masson said.

Legal scholars also gave Bill 78 a bad review.

“Read it. Stunned. Can’t believe that a democratic government can adopt such a law,” tweeted law professor Louis-Philippe Lampron, a Laval University expert in human rights.

Another Laval law professor, Fannie Lafontaine, had concerns about sections of the legislation which aim to prevent protesters from barring other students from attending school.
* Section 13 and 14 say that no one can “directly or indirectly contribute” to delaying classes or denying access to them.
* Section 15 says student associations must employ “appropriate means” to induce their members to not directly or indirectly disrupt classes.
* Section 25 threatens fines of up to $125,000 to groups that contravene the bill.

Prof. Lafontaine, a penal-law specialist, said those sections are too broadly defined while at the same time they are twinned with stiff penalties.

“The students are told to take `appropriate means’ and we don’t know what this implies, to `induce’ members to comply, so there’s an obligation to get results . . . this doesn’t work in law. You can’t have offences that are written so vaguely they’re impossible to respect,” she said.

Bill 78 was tabled after three months of chaotic, sometimes violent, demonstrations as students protest the government’s planned university tuition-fee hikes.

As the standoff dragged, events have taken increasingly ugly tones, with accusations of police violence during riots, journalists being assaulted by some demonstrators and students who tried to attend classes being forced out by others.

“In times of crisis, all governments tend to restrain fundamental rights and history shows that excessive restrictions don’t help restore order,” Prof. Lafontaine said.

“It’s too bad because now it’ll be up to the courts to rectify this. What a waste. It’s just throwing oil on fire.”

Labour leaders joined the student movement to blast the law Friday.

Louis Roy, who represents most of the province’s teachers, said his members have worked hard to keep peace during 14 weeks of boycott and protest.

“They’re disgusted,” said Mr. Roy, president of the Confédération des syndicats nationaux. “They will not be collaborating in any kind of police action. They are not going to become some kind of police squad for the provincial government. We are very close to having a government ready to trample on fundamental rights.”

Added Réjean Parent, the president of the Centrale des syndicats du Quebec: “This law is worthy of a banana republic.”

The bill also removes the legal requirement for colleges to deliver 82 days of classes to complete a session, giving colleges the flexibility to re-organize their schedule in order to have students to finish this session. The government this week suspended classes in 14 of the province’s 48 colleges where strikes were still continuing as well in certain departments and faculties in 11 of the province’s 18 universities.

Student associations reacted immediately, announcing they will challenge the bill in the courts. A major demonstration being planned for next Tuesday in Montreal.

Quebec's anti-protest legislation tramples basic rights: legal experts - The Globe and Mail
 

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I agree parts of this legislation are heavy handed but I laugh when I read the student groups are complaining about it violating their rights. These student groups have been violating other students right to attend class, violating peoples right to attend work, violating peoples right to transit etc etc. They're a delusional bunch...
 

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I agree parts of this legislation are heavy handed but I laugh when I read the student groups are complaining about it violating their rights. These student groups have been violating other students right to attend class, violating peoples right to attend work, violating peoples right to transit etc etc. They're a delusional bunch...

I agree, it is hypocrisy.

One could argue that some evils are necessary for the greater good, but that remains to be seen in this dispute.
 

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Just noticed this is the second time the media has used the word 'trample' in reference to protestation rights.
 

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I agree parts of this legislation are heavy handed but I laugh when I read the student groups are complaining about it violating their rights. These student groups have been violating other students right to attend class, violating peoples right to attend work, violating peoples right to transit etc etc. They're a delusional bunch...

I don't think it's delusion, I think it's just self-involved.
 

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And here we go..




Police kettle Montreal student protesters, arresting 400 - Montreal - CBC News
 

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These protestors don't care about any one elses rights that they have been stomping on. Funny how it is a travesty when they are brought to heel. Bunch of spoilt brats.
 

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I find it pretty frightening that we just realized kettling is pointless and counterproductive (from the G20 report), but now they're kettling in Montreal.

These cops will never learn.
 

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Know what else is useless? Vandals running about wrecking havoc, impacting the local business' and forfeiting their own education in terms of this last semester.

These fool protestors are lobbying for their 'right' to transform their generation into the next Greece.

Clearly the Uni's aren't doing that good a job of teaching anything practical.
 

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Outrageous! Charest has inspired ever-increasing resistance with a law that is obviously unconstitutional, and was not even remotely necessary...........he panicked. Peaceful protest is a right, and like other rights, it does not require the gov't's permission. Charest is a coward, an idiot, and incompetent.

Were I in Quebec right now, I might be joining the protests.

These protestors don't care about any one elses rights that they have been stomping on. Funny how it is a travesty when they are brought to heel. Bunch of spoilt brats.

True.

And they needed to be brought to heel.

Harshly. For that you have legal injunctions, and a police force that needs to move on violent protesters.

Peaceful protest is a right..........

... But it's their right to torch your car

Nooooo......these guys need a baton liberally applied to non-lethal areas of the body....but that requires politicians and police officers with a pair. They seem to be sorely lacking.

I find it pretty frightening that we just realized kettling is pointless and counterproductive (from the G20 report), but now they're kettling in Montreal.

These cops will never learn.

Wrong. Kettling is very effective on rioters.

The problem at the G20 was the cops weren't trying to control rioters......they were kettling peaceful protestors.
 

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Wrong. Kettling is very effective on rioters.

The problem at the G20 was the cops weren't trying to control rioters......they were kettling peaceful protestors.

And you have proof that those kettled in this group were all rioters?

The story does not begin with "after a riot broke out" so how can you assume they were rioting?
 

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And you have proof that those kettled in this group were all rioters?

The story does not begin with "after a riot broke out" so how can you assume they were rioting?

If they were gathered on the street without a permit in Quebec......they were in violation of the law.

That is outrageous, but the police don't make the laws, and can't be blamed for efficiently enforcing them.

EVERYBODY in that crowd was in violation......and kettling is an effective method of controlling an unlawful crowd.
 

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Is kettling a valid police tactic?

Montreal and Quebec provincial police surrounded and kettled protesters in Montreal Wednesday night, arresting 518 people, the largest mass arrest since the demonstrations began.

Kettling is a police tactic widely used in Europe where riot police surround demonstrators and limit or cut off their exits. Critics say kettling often results in the scooping up of innocent bystanders as well as offenders.

The police say they kettled demonstrators because some in the crowd threw rocks at officers. "Their physical integrity was in jeopardy," said Const. Daniel Lacoursiere of the Montreal police. "That's why all these arrests were made at the corner of St-Denis and Sherbrooke."

A recent report by Ontario's police watchdog blasted Toronto police for their use of the tactic during the G20 summit two years ago, saying they violated civil rights, detained people illegally and used excessive force.

Kettling was used on at least 10 occasions during the G20 protests, the report said. The Toronto police senior officer who ordered the kettling of protestors was among 45 officers who are facing misconduct charges.

The Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD) recommended that police allow more time and use better technology to provide warnings to disperse a crowd before kettling or arresting people.

A separate report by the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP (CPC) found that the Mounties' role in the G20 kettling was not consistent with RCMP policy. CPC vice-chair Ian McPhail said that RCMP policy on crowd control is to provide an exit.

Is kettling a valid police tactic?
 

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Is kettling a valid police tactic?

Montreal and Quebec provincial police surrounded and kettled protesters in Montreal Wednesday night, arresting 518 people, the largest mass arrest since the demonstrations began.

Kettling is a police tactic widely used in Europe where riot police surround demonstrators and limit or cut off their exits. Critics say kettling often results in the scooping up of innocent bystanders as well as offenders.

The police say they kettled demonstrators because some in the crowd threw rocks at officers. "Their physical integrity was in jeopardy," said Const. Daniel Lacoursiere of the Montreal police. "That's why all these arrests were made at the corner of St-Denis and Sherbrooke."

A recent report by Ontario's police watchdog blasted Toronto police for their use of the tactic during the G20 summit two years ago, saying they violated civil rights, detained people illegally and used excessive force.

Kettling was used on at least 10 occasions during the G20 protests, the report said. The Toronto police senior officer who ordered the kettling of protestors was among 45 officers who are facing misconduct charges.

The Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD) recommended that police allow more time and use better technology to provide warnings to disperse a crowd before kettling or arresting people.

A separate report by the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP (CPC) found that the Mounties' role in the G20 kettling was not consistent with RCMP policy. CPC vice-chair Ian McPhail said that RCMP policy on crowd control is to provide an exit.

Is kettling a valid police tactic?

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear........kettling is NOT a legitimate practice when used against peaceful protest.

Kettling IS a legitimate practice when used against unlawful assembly.

Do you expect individual officers to wade into the crown to grab a stone-thrower????

Or do you just think those that trash, burn, assault and destroy should be allowed to walk??
 

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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear........kettling is NOT a legitimate practice when used against peaceful protest.

Kettling IS a legitimate practice when used against unlawful assembly.

Do you expect individual officers to wade into the crown to grab a stone-thrower????

Or do you just think those that trash, burn, assault and destroy should be allowed to walk??

If one person in a sea of hundreds tosses a stone, clearly it is not worth going after that offender to put the health of hundreds of others at risk.

This should be obvious.