Thousands of same-sex marriages performed in Canada may not be legal: report

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Typical. Homosexuality isn't about fu cking "boys", which it seem you always bring it around to. Your obsession with fu cking "boys" is what I am pointing out. It has nothing to do with homosexuality at all. It has everything to do with pedophilia.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

i rest my case... people get ugly when they've lose their ability to reason..

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

i rest my case... people get ugly when they lose their ability to reason..

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

You've been admiring yourself in the mirror?

Just askin'.

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

I'm not the one that brought up "boys". That was you.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

We've become a society that cannot differtiate between natural and unnatural, right and wrong, good and evil. One which the sole dictate is gratify thyself.. and a complete denial of any over arching moral code. It extends much beyond the issue of homosexuality.. but this issue has become a central icon to it.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

It has produced a vulgarization of society in all forms of media, in language, in public perfomance that sees grotesque, hedonistic carnivals like Pride Parades as demonstration of Civil Rights. It is an image of society which in any objective take, is in an advanced state of self destruction.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

What message does this send to young people struggling to establish a mature sexual identity when those trapped in infantile fixations and stunted emotional development.. which IS the substance of homosexuality.. are held as examples of normalcy. What does that of homosexual marriage send about marriage, as a God sanctioned institution whose primary function is the protection and nurturing of children.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

The message to young people is 'give up'. You are no more than what your most base desires and genetic imprints have predisposed you for. The message about marriage is that it is a joke, a political football.. and without any real social value.. and therefor should be treated as nothing but that.

It seems like a society much like that of the Dark Ages, where life was short, brutal, ugly and lacking any purpose except survival and brief respites of orgiastic pleasure.

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah

Hoboy, I wasn't going to comment but... this begs for it.



First and foremost, I think I can differentiate between natural and unnatural, right and wrong, good and evil. Just because I'm bi doesn't mean I'm devoid of any morality. My morality is just obviously different than yours and my heart much more accepting. Not sure what you think of those of us who are bi - you know, those who "Can't make a choice" and all - but for me, sex has NOTHING, and never will have anything, to do with the reason why I would love someone. Sex is a way to get closer, form a bond; it's not the thing that makes the decision. What matters to me is that I love, care and cherish the person, male or female. That is the most important.

So tell me, Coldstream, what is so "evil, unnatural and wrong" about that?



Just wanted to point out here that the "Self destruction" you mention is only your opinion; to some people, the image of acceptance is salvation. But only to some; people like you who still condem and ridicule and say "you are unnatural!" are what make the young gay people of this world self destruct, not the gay pride parades.

Although I do agree that the Gay Pride stuff is a little over the top and really should be toned back. But I think now it's too much of a tradition to be that outgoing; kind'a like Mardi Gras.



The reason why I wasn't going to reply to anything you spouted - vomited, spewed or whatever other word you want to use for it - on this topic is for this exact reason: you have your opinion and it's so ingrained and hard core nothing anyone will say will change it. Being a straight person, you have NO CLUE the issues gays, lesbians, TG, Bi's and so on have to deal with. The moment you see anything about them, you put blinders on and that's it, full stop to anything logical you might have to say.

My Bisexuality is not an "infantile fixation"; I came to that realization only after a serious look at myself. I have had only one relationship in my life, one that lasted ten years, and I was totally faithful to her the entire time. If anything, accepting myself as bi widened my "emotional development", not stunted it. I realized then that I could love anyone, of any gender and I wasn't limited to just one or the other. For me, being bi IS normal; it's not for you and that's fine, you don't see me demanding you have to be bi, do you? So stop insisting I have to be straight.

And as pointed out before, marriage was around in some form or another LONG before your Christian God - or versions there in - were ever on the scene. What, so every union between two people didn't exist until your "God" said it was okay? Yeah, don't think so. Marriage was about having kids, and a lot more than that. Simplification of the issue doesn't change the fact it was about property, ownership, and man domination over the woman and in some cases the woman's family. IMO, I think it's only more "recent" times that people have looked at marriage as something good and meaningful and supposedly meant to show the love between a couple. And guess what, that's what "The gays" want, too.



No, Coldstream, the message is "Accept who you are and your feelings. You ARE more than your base desires and if your genetic imprints have predisposed you to love someone of the same sex, then go with those feelings because now it's okay to be Gay."

Marriage isn't a joke and never will be. But you realize, I hope, some people marry, some don't, whether they're straight or gay? I work at our hospital in town, we have a marital status check when we admit someone and create a record. The most common thing I've come across isn't "Married" but "Common Law". It's because people either don't want to spend the money, or they just don't believe that they need a piece of paper - whether from a priest or a JP - to say "I love this person".

My brother was married by a JP - does that make him any less married than my parents who married in a church? They're still married.

In that sense, as Churches don't HAVE to marry gay people, if they go before a JP and proclaim their love, then yes, they're married.

And you know what, this world could use a little more love and a lot less hate.

Lastly, and hate to inform you, Coldstream, but it's people like YOU who keep society in the Dark Ages, not people who only want to love the people they love, have a family and share that love with the people that matter most.

Really, you and yours need to stop fixating on the type of sex people have. Maybe you should see a therapist.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

The phenomenon of 'bisexuality' should put to rest the contention that there is any 'natural' or 'genetic' predisposition to homosexuality. In actual fact homosexuality is a transient condition in many, often brought about by emotional trauma, or adolescent confusion. The fact that it is such a floating target supports that it is a purely behavioural condition.. which until the 1970s virtually every psychiatric and professional psychological society listed as a treatable mental impediment.
They capitulated to the very well organized and well financed homosexual lobby in redefining it as normal.. when all of their studies in terms of the distress it causes to those afflicted with it told them it was not.
If you are completely satisfied with the your lifestyle.. i'm not sure why you react so violently to my comments. I've made a point of critiquing the conidition in objective terms.. not personal.. in fact as a behavioural pathology worthy of treatment and sympathy. I've not condemned those in this lifestyle, (although i have the behaviour itself).. but you feel so insecure in it, that you take it as such.
My belief is that it causes severe psychic distress in its practitioners. Some handle it better than others. But the sheer statistics of the prevalence of suicide, clinical depression, drug and alcohol abuse, isolation, diseases associated with promiscuous lifestyles, early death are many times higher than the...

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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Ahh ... he's so homophobic he wears combination underwear....

by Serryah -
Guess what, it should ALSO put to rest the contention that there is any natural or genetic predisposition to heterosexuality, too. Y'know, cause your heterosexuality was a choice you made and it's your lifestyle. It's not who you are, it's your lifestyle.

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Ahh ... he's so homophobic he wears combination underwear....

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

The phenomenon of 'bisexuality' should put to rest the contention that there is any 'natural' or 'genetic' predisposition to homosexuality.

In actual fact homosexuality is a transient condition in many, often brought about by emotional trauma, or adolescent confusion.

The fact that it is such a floating target supports that it is a purely behavioural condition.. which until the 1970s virtually every psychiatric and professional psychological society listed as a treatable mental impediment.

They capitulated to the very well organized and well financed homosexual lobby in redefining it as normal.. when all of their studies in terms of the distress it causes to those afflicted with it told them it was not.

If you are completely satisfied with the your lifestyle.. i'm not sure why you react so violently to my comments.

I've made a point of critiquing the conidition in objective terms.. not personal..

in fact as a behavioural pathology worthy of treatment and sympathy. I've not condemned those in this lifestyle, (although i have the behaviour itself).. but you feel so insecure in it, that you take it as such.

My belief is that it causes severe psychic distress in its practitioners. Some handle it better than others.

But the sheer statistics of the prevalence of suicide, clinical depression, drug and alcohol abuse, isolation, diseases associated with promiscuous lifestyles, early death are many times higher than the population at large. The latter statistics in fact show those in serial, anonymous relationships.. which exist as the major element of the homosexual community..is decades less than for rest of the population.

In fact this has all the indication that has deeply alien to innate human moral and spiritual archetypes.. to our soul if you like No amount of phony affirmation will change that. You can look at SLM above ... with comments, essentially casting the worst insult they can throw at me by calling me a homosexual.. these are people who are in your political camp. Hypocrites i say.. and not real friends.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

Realize, first of all, Serryah.. that your side has been in complete control of the political agenda.. for well over a decade. I'm just a madman (or 'homophobe').. ranting in wilderness.

In fact you have been designated the most illustrious status of our politically correct society.. that of 'victim'.. where anything short of unqualified support is deemed 'bigotry'.

That said, if i'm right.. then this modern world of pure moral relativism, of radical individualism under a superficial aegus of 'freedom' or 'equality'.. is a pretense, over hard time, tested principles on which our culture and every other in society that survived was built.. that will factor out in time.

Don't shoot the messanger.. I didn't write the rules. But it would be foolish to deny their are not hard, cruel, consistent laws and their consequences that do apply to human behaviour.. completely consistent with Natural Law and Divine Order.

If you reject Faith as source.. then history will tell you the same. Sow the wind and you will reap the whirlwind.. that's true for civilizations, for nations and for individuals.

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Unless one is terrified of "getting queered", or regretting missing out on something, what is homosexuality to fear that organized religion hasn't already clubbed into submission? As far as I know, homosexuals don't reproduce....

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

Realize, first of all, Serryah.. that your side has been in complete control of the political agenda.. for well over a decade. I'm just a madman (or 'homophobe').. ranting in wilderness.

In fact you have been designated the most illustrious status of our politically correct society.. that of 'victim'.. where anything short of unqualified support is deemed 'bigotry'.

That said, if i'm right.. then this modern world of pure moral relativism, of radical individualism under a superficial aegus of 'freedom' or 'equality'.. is a pretense, over hard time, tested principles on which our culture and every other in society that survived was built.. that will factor out in time.

Don't shoot the messanger.. I didn't write the rules. But it would be foolish to deny their are not hard, cruel, consistent rules and their consequences that do apply to human behaviour.. completely consistent with Natural Law and Divine Order. If you reject Faith as source.. then history will tell you the same. Sew the wind and you will reap the whirlwind.. that's true for civilizations, for nations and for individuals.

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Unless one is terrified of "getting queered", or regretting missing out on something, what is homosexuality to fear that organized religion hasn't already clubbed into submission? As far as I know, homosexuals don't reproduce....

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

In your opinion. But it doesn't. Many is a relative term. In MOST, homosexuality is resident. Unfortunately for you, science has gotten past the assumptions of 1970s.
As I mentioned several times, the idea that history has given is that the ratio of homosexuals to the general population of the planet has been 10 to 14% as far back as science can assess history. THAT is testament to the idea that homosexuality is a constant and is natural and normal. You have yet to come up with anything to rebut that and in fact, you have avoided saying ANYTHING about it.
Not only that but the latest research in genetics suggest that EVERYTHING we are, say, think, do, etc. is a result of our DNA and switching in combination with our brain activity. And that suggest that we are hardwired to be what we are and there is no such thing as free will.
Because the amount of vile you spew elicits heated retort. DUH Your objectivity needs an overhaul. I say that because you've posted almost entirely from a standpoint similar to those of Inquisitors. It's warranted.
My belief is that the psychological distress comes from the stigma people like you apply to homosexuality. I'd bet most homosexuals are perfectly comfortable being who they are. Yeah, that could have nothing to do with being ostracised, stigmatised, persecuted, and victimised by such as you.
Just out of curiosity, what are the stats comparing the ratio of unsatisfied homosexuals...

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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

btw.. most demographic estimates put the number of homosexuals, and by that i mean committed, active, life long homosexuals at about 1% of the population. It's complicated by people like Serryah, who would not fit the definition.. and backs my contention that there is no hard and fast definition of 'homosexuals'.. only of homosexuality. People move in and out the condition for various reasons and at various stages of their life.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

Good grief, Gilbert.. there's nothing i can say that you're going to agree with is there. I'm so distressed.

btw.. most demographic estimates put the number of homosexuals, and by that i mean committed, active, life long homosexuals at about 1% of the population.

It's complicated by people like Serryah, who would not fit the definition.. and backs my contention that there is no hard and fast definition of 'homosexuals'.. only of homosexuality. People move in and out the condition for various reasons.

And you should realize that your 'Science'.. the entire scientific establishment, method, provenance is a function of the Faith, on institutions established by the Church.

You refer only to a renegade group of theorists that have rejected God as the source of all things. And predictably have, after a century, of Darwinian evolution, quantum mechanics, superstrings.. all psuedo religions.. have produced absolutely NOTHING in terms of useful technology. All of that has been spawned by your discredited 'Christian' science.

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah

Gee, thanks for making me feel all special. But to correct you: I fit the definition of Bisexual, not homosexual, which is normally lumped into the whole "Homosexuality" thing. I think, then, that you should probably change your "contention" to read "There is no hard and fast definition of sexuality" and leave it at that.

Here's a question for you: what about those women who can get it on with other women, but claim they are heterosexual? Technically they're Bisexual - or would be in my opinion - yet they define themselves as straight. They just like a little extra with another woman from time to time.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

With men and men, or, women and women, the fundamental relationship is competitive.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Fundamental? I think not. You've never met a competitive hetero couple? Colour me skeptical. The components in your model are interchangeable, making it meaningless.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

You'll always be able to find heterosexual relationships that are as cynical and exploitive as homosexual ones.

But you'll never find a homosexual relationship that in any way resembles a truly co-operative heterosexual one.

It's just the way the world was made.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

The bottom line for me Serryah follows the law of complements. Physically, emotionally and spiritually men and women complement each other. Their sexual relationship, in the most constructive sense, is anchored although not limited to procreation and focussed on family. The fundamental genius of their respective specific gifts can only be fully realized through a committed relationship.. which produces an implicit synergy.

With men and men, or, women and women, the fundamental relationship is competitive. Ultimately this means it will be characterised by dominance, submission, exploitation.. which is why homosexual relationships are so brittle and untenable.. explicity enervating. NONE of them represent real adult loving relationships.. they might provide transient intoxication.. or they might be composed of companionship or convenience.. but that's all they'll ever be.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

The bottom line for me Serryah follows the law of complements. Physically, emotionally and spiritually men and women complement each other. Their sexual relationship, in the most constructive sense, is anchored although not limited to procreation and focussed on family. The fundamental genius of their respective specific gifts can only be fully realized through a committed relationship.. which produces an implicit synergy.

With men and men, or, women and women, the fundamental relationship is competitive. Ultimately this means it will be characterised by dominance, submission, exploitation.. which is why homosexual relationships are so brittle and untenable.. explicity enervating. NONE of them represent real adult loving relationships.. they might provide transient intoxication.. or they might be composed of companionship or convenience.. but that's all they'll ever be.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Fundamental? I think not. You've never met a competitive hetero couple? Colour me skeptical. The components in your model are interchangeable, making it meaningless.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream

You'll always be able to find heterosexual relationships that are as cynical and exploitive as homosexual ones. But you'll never find a homosexual relationship that in any way resembles a truly co-operative heterosexual one. It's just the way the world was made.

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah

Well then congrats, Coldstream, for proving yourself to be probably the most blind person to human relationships anyone has ever met or heard of.

Glad to know that those gay couples who've been together thirty, forty, fifty years - hiding that fact of course until recently - were just users and didn't really love their partners.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Evidence: --

But I fully expect Coldstream to ignore the evidence and continue spewing his opinion.