Crime bill decreases Canadians' safety

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Crime bill decreases Canadians' safety

Canada's criminal justice and prevention programs have been successfully decreasing our country's crime rates over the past 20 years. The tough-oncrime policies in Bill C-10, the omnibus crime bill, may actually increase crime rates, and they will come at a hefty economic and social cost.

The omnibus bill, in its third and final reading, combines nine previous bills that died before the federal election, into one.

In 2005, Texas had the highest rate of incarceration in the world, with five per cent of all residents in jail. Faced with overcrowded prisons and enormous costs, Texas switched its focus to treatment and prevention. In five years the rate of incarceration dropped by nine per cent, while the crime rate dropped by 12.8 per cent.

Jailing citizens for minor non-violent offences strips them from family, community and employment, greatly increasing the chance that they will re-offend.

Vulnerable groups, such as First Nations peoples, the poor and those who suffer from mental illness and addiction will be disproportionately affected.

Premier Christy Clark has publicly supported this bill, but vocal opposition from the Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador and P.E.I. governments is sending a message to Ottawa: This bill is costly and counter-productive.

NDP MP Isabelle Morin called on the government to focus on preventing crime, rather than increasing sentences and therefore filling up jails with more convicts, rather than reducing crime rates.

"Increasing mandatory minimums will not prevent crime, it will not make our communities safer," Morin said.

"There have been many specialists who have come to provide their opinions based on scientific fact and the government continues to say based on our experience we think we should do this."

She also read a letter she had received from a constituent in her Quebec riding of Notre-Dame-de-Grace—Lachine, who said they had been convicted of a crime more than a decade ago and had moved on with their life and become a contributing member of society.

However, the constituent complained that tough new rules in Bill C-10 would make it difficult for those convicted of a crime to rehabilitate and move on from their past.

Morin was just one of many opposition MPs expressing serious concerns with the bill's punitive focus.
Other opposing witnesses expressed concern about effect the legislation would have on the courts, prison system and young offenders.

Liberal MP John McCallum said the Conservatives were returning to a "Middle Ages" approach that focused on "vengeance" against those who break the law, rather than rehabilitation. At a time when criminal offences are declining, McCallum said, Bill C-10 will actually have the opposite effect.

"This plan to dump thousands of new offenders into the system will simply break it. Low-level offenders will enter the system after convictions for petty crimes and they will leave having made new criminal connections and having learned the skills of the trade. That should never be the outcome of our justice system," McCallum said.

Crime destroys communities and individuals, and we need a crime bill that counters those effects. Bill C-10 will do just the opposite.

This bill prioritizes harsh punishment over restorative justice, undermines judicial discretion and ignores the potential for offenders to become positive contributors to society. A bill that does this cannot claim to make Canadians safer - it can only make us feel that we are, temporarily, before we are forced to learn the truth the hard way.
 

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We just jam pedophiles into halfway houses and concentrate them around unsuspecting residents. Or give career criminals short sentences like six years for attempted murder<-- I can attest to this one because my father tried to kill my mother and he was a habitual criminal with numerous charges including armed robbery, firearms charges, arson.
 

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We just jam pedophiles into halfway houses and concentrate them around unsuspecting residents. Or give career criminals short sentences like six years for attempted murder<-- I can attest to this one because my father tried to kill my mother and he was a habitual criminal with numerous charges including armed robbery, firearms charges, arson.

I won't discredit the bill for reasonable punishment of crimes of a more deviant nature. That said, there is a lot of talk going around that crimes that require rehabilitation as a solution are being replaced with more punitive practice and it's starting cause a stir.
 

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There is nearly zero for rehabilition and mental health treatment in Corrections Canada is pathetic at best.
 

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The children who'll lose their moms when female prisoners skyrocket and mom comes home just as ****ed up as when she left?
 

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Well, the idea that "Canada's criminal justice and prevention programs have been successfully decreasing our country's crime rates over the past 20 years" is ludicrous..........demographics are the key to plunging crime rates.

It is also somewhat silly, IMHO, to claim the Crime Bill will increase crime.....talk about baseless conjecture!

That said, I fully agree that the Crime Bill is seriously flawed. Mandatory sentencing is idiotic and counter-productive, as it removes any flexibility in the law, thereby damaging "justice".

And the anti-drug clauses are simply silly.

All in all, it sucks.
 

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Good post Colpy.

It looks like Pat Martin's f-word tweets actually scored some points for the Liberals. I'm sure that wasn't his intention, lol..

Tory changes to crime bill echo Liberal amendments rejected earlier

The Conservative government is scrambling to alter its omnibus crime bill – just weeks after it rejected similar changes proposed by the opposition in a parliamentary committee.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews asked on Tuesday to make six last-minute amendments to the sweeping legislation, all to the portion of the bill designed to allow victims of terrorism to sue the perpetrators in Canadian courts.

The minister’s changes sought to broaden the scope of the bill to include state sponsors of terrorism and affiliated groups, and closely mirrored a set of amendments proposed in committee by Liberal justice critic Irwin Cotler. All of those amendments were rejected by Conservative MPs without debate.

House Speaker Andrew Scheer ruled on Tuesday that all of Mr. Toews’s amendments were out of order, saying they should have been dealt with during the committee’s clause-by-clause review.

“We’re now in a bit of a dilemma, because now the government has finally come around to supporting these amendments, but now they’ve been rejected,” Mr. Cotler told The Globe and Mail on Wednesday.

“They didn’t take the process seriously.”

A spokesman for Mr. Toews said the changes came late because the government was still holding discussions with victims of

Terrorism after the committee ended its review. “The minister had ongoing conversations, as we do, with stakeholders, and there was a belief the amendments should be put forward,” Michael Patton said.

Jack Harris, the NDP’s justice critic, said that if the Conservatives felt they needed further discussion on the bill, they shouldn’t have limited the review. “If they weren’t finished, why were they rushing through this clause-by-clause [review]?” Mr. Harris said. “Clearly they abandoned a reasoned approach for the sake of a political agenda.”

The Conservatives imposed a time limit on the committee’s review of the legislation, arguing that many of the opposition’s nearly 200 amendments didn’t support the spirit of the legislation and were wasting time.

The government will have another opportunity to introduce the changes when the bill goes to the Senate.

The sweeping anti-crime legislation combines nine bills the Conservatives failed to pass in previous Parliaments, including new mandatory minimum sentences for some crimes and tougher sentencing for violent young offenders.

Opposition MPs have argued that the legislation has been rushed through Parliament. “The evidence of the speed and the lack of consideration comes from the fact that they put these amendments in themselves at the 11th hour,” Mr. Harris said.

Tory changes to crime bill echo Liberal amendments rejected earlier - The Globe and Mail
 

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the opposition’s nearly 200 amendments didn’t support the spirit of the
legislation and were wasting time.
Spirit? Toews went up the Mt. and came down with the omnibus tablets?
 

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Whatever conclusions we come to or fail to come to on this forum will most definitely impact greatly the passing or not of Bill C-10.

I was talking to Stevo this morning and he's waiting on us.
 

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House Speaker Andrew Scheer ruled on Tuesday that all of Mr. Toews’s amendments
were out of order, saying they should have been dealt with during the
committee’s clause-by-clause review.
WTG Andy! One of the reason he got my vote was he is level headed. Good choice for speaker.
 

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Whatever conclusions we come to or fail to come to on this forum will most definitely impact greatly the passing or not of Bill C-10.

I was talking to Stevo this morning and he's waiting on us.

I was having coffee with him this afternoon and he mentioned your conversation.

Psst Nug, it's okay to admit your conservative. Come out of the closet. :)
 

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It is also somewhat silly, IMHO, to claim the Crime Bill will increase crime.....talk about baseless conjecture!

Why? The bill adds new offences.That's what happens when you add new offences. Pretty silly to deny that...
 

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MentalFloss - " Jailing citizens for minor non-violent offences strips them from family, community and employment, greatly increasing the chance that they will re-offend(, Suffer Or Die.(Oops sorry , this is suppose to be a quote .I apologize for my rude eddition.)).

Vulnerable groups, such as First Nations peoples, the poor and those who suffer from mental illness and addiction will be disproportionately affected. "

Well said MentalFloss.( Good Opening Post too, by the way :) )


http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/100528-policing-poverty-securing-homelessness-3.html - Time to introduce a New " Step-up " Program/System ;) .The Ol' Pyramid of Power scheme only seems to be working oneway..From Tip Top to Under Bottom ..
 
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Tories reject consideration of mental illness in crime bill

OTTAWA — Justice Minister Rob Nicholson ignored questions Thursday about how a massive new crime bill will deal with Canadians living with mental illness, including young offenders who find themselves being sentenced as adults.

The Conservatives voted down this week all 88 amendments proposed by the opposition parties on Bill C-10, including one by Liberal MP Irwin Cotler that would have allowed judges to take into consideration mental illness when handing down new mandatory minimum sentences.

The Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers told MPs who were studying the bill this fall that if they only made one change to the bill, it should be to recognize people with mental illnesses need treatment before they are put in jail.

Other groups such as the Canadian Pediatric Society have also raised the issue with the government with respect to young offenders, who can sometimes be tried as adults for serious crimes and be handed mandatory minimum sentences. Statistics suggest 70 per cent of young offenders suffer from some form of mental illness.

The Conservatives have been under attack this week by the opposition for rushing through passage of the large omnibus bill, and not taking the time to seriously consider amendments.

Another set of changes proposed by Cotler on the right of Canadian victims to sue terrorist organizations and their state sponsors was first rejected by the Tories, but then proposed by the government at the eleventh hour.

Asked whether the government would consider separate legislation to deal with mental illness and sentencing, or how it would address the mentally ill under C-10, Nicholson referred only to treatment programs the provinces offer.

"We work with our provincial counterparts who have the first responsibility with respect to health care and getting assistance," Nicholson said. "I've been certainly one of those who has encouraged that." Cotler's amendment, which echoed one proposed by the defence lawyers, would have allowed a judge to delay a mandatory minimum sentence to allow a convicted criminal to get mental health treatment.

The government had already included a similar clause for drug addiction.

"I don't understand again why the government is just rejecting out of hand all amendments which can only be better for the criminal justice system and this is a perfect amendment," said Cotler.

"Why not do the right thing and the good thing, to rehabilitate these offenders and let them have the treatment that they need and not incarcerate them?"

The issue of youth, mental illness and incarceration has been raised repeatedly in the public sphere over the last few years.

New Brunswick teen Ashley Smith, who suffered from behavioural problems, wound up taking her own life in a federal jail in 2007.

The Canadian Medical Association Journal called on the government last year to address mental illness when drafting crime legislation, citing a 2009 statistic that there are three times as many mentally ill Canadians in custody than there are in the general population.


A report by the federal correctional investigator last year estimated that a quarter of all new admissions to federal prisons suffer from mental illness, pointing out that treatment for illnesses is inadequate in the system.

Dr. April Elliott, a member of the Canadian Pediatric Society's adolescent health committee, said the government needs to consider the impact of incarceration on young people, partly because research shows that jail time leads young people to break the law again.

"We know that incarceration, especially lengthy incarceration, can increase both pre-existing mental health issues as well as introducing other issues, and not allowing youth to have appropriate development while incarcerated," said Elliott.

"We're very concerned that there has been no provisions at all looking at this particular evidence that we have."

The crime bill is set to get its third and final reading in the Commons sometime this month.

Meanwhile, a new Statistics Canada survey released Thursday suggests a large majority of Canadians don't see crime as an imminent threat.

The study, conducted in 2009, found 93 per cent of those surveyed said they feel safe from crime -- similar a survey in 2004, before Stephen Harper's Conservatives began their tough-on-crime campaign.

Tories reject consideration of mental illness in crime bill | CTV Montreal



Most Canadians feel safe from crime: StatsCan

OTTAWA — As the Harper government pushes ahead with legislation to crack down on criminals, a report from Statistics Canada shows the vast majority of Canadians feel safe already.

On Thursday, Statistics Canada posted a report based on data from 2009 showing 93 per cent of people it surveyed were satisfied with their personal safety from crime. The figure was virtually unchanged from a survey done in 2004, when 94 per cent reported a general satisfaction with their safety.

The latest data was based on random surveys with about 19,500 people in Canadian provinces.

Statistics Canada said the results from a sample of this size accurately reflect the general population within 0.95 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Among men, 94 per cent said they were satisfied with their safety, compared to 91 per cent of women.

Ronald Melchers, a criminology professor at the University of Ottawa, said this latest Statistics Canada report is based on one of the best measures available to determine how safe people are.

“It’s a very factual question” he said. “When you ask people that question, what it does is it causes people to stop, think about their own lives and think about their own personal safety and the likelihood that they will be a victim of crime.”

Among those aged 15 to 24, 94 per cent reported being satisfied with their personal safety. The figure remained 94 per cent for 25- to 34-year-olds, was 93 per cent for those 35 to 44, 92 per cent for those 45 to 64 and dropped to 90 per cent for those 65 and older.

Last year, Statistics Canada released a separate report, based on the same data, that showed about one in four Canadians reported being a victim of crime over the previous year. That figure was essentially unchanged from five years earlier.




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