F-35s won't talk to eachother in the Arctic

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Canada's first F-35s won't have built-in ability to communicate in Arctic

OTTAWA - Canada's new multibillion-dollar stealth fighters are expected to arrive without the built-in capacity to communicate from the country's most northerly regions — a gap the air force is trying to close.

A series of briefings given to the country's top air force commander last year expressed concern that the F-35's radio and satellite communications gear may not be as capable as that of the current CF-18s, which recently went through an extensive modernization.

Military aircraft operating in the high Arctic rely almost exclusively on satellite communications, where a pilot's signal is beamed into space and bounced back down to a ground station.

The F-35 Lightning will eventually have the ability to communicate with satellites, but the software will not be available in the initial production run, said a senior Lockheed Martin official, who spoke on background.

It is expected to be added to the aircraft when production reaches its fourth phase in 2019, but that is not guaranteed because research is still underway. "That hasn't all been nailed down yet," said the official. "As you can imagine there are a lot of science projects going on, exploring what is the best . . . capability, what satellites will be available."

Additionally, Canada's request to have the upgrade placed in the fourth phase will compete with software changes sought by other countries. Norway, for example, wants to use its own missiles on the F-35 rather than U.S.-made weapons.

Defending the Arctic is one of the Harper government's key justifications for buying the aircraft, which are estimated to cost between $16 and $30 billion, including long-term maintenance.

A Defence Department spokesman denied that the F-35's communications suite will be less effective than that of CF-18s, but acknowledged that so-called beyond-line-of-sight communications is a concern. "Communications in the Arctic represents a specific challenge to all aircraft due to lack of satellite coverage in the north," said Evan Koronewski in an email response. "Canada is working closely with the other partner nations to ensure Canadian operational requirements for communications in the Arctic are met."

Air force planners recognized the problem last year and are "considering a back-up," said an April 2010 briefing.

A study is looking at whether an external communications pod can be installed on the F-35.

Koronewski said it is one of "many options" being investigated, but wasn't able to discuss other potential solutions.

The sophisticated pods, which are carried by the CF-18s, were purchased as part of the $2.6-billion fleet upgrade, which began in 2000.

The briefing to the chief of air staff noted that installing such pods could be made more affordable if other countries participated.

The communications problem is just one of several technical issues the air force is working on.

National Defence has asked the U.S. manufacturer whether it's possible to install a different air-to-air refuelling system on Canadian F-35s. Most other air forces in the world have stopped using what's known as a "probe and drogue" connection, opting instead for a plug-in receptacle which connects to a boom on the tanker aircraft.

The request was made because it's unclear when Canada will able to upgrade its air-to-air refuellers with the booms. Lockheed Martin says it can equip the F-35s to use both systems, but a decision on whether to spend money on modification has yet to be made.

Canada's first F-35s won't have built-in ability to communicate in Arctic
 

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It's a bit amusing that the new modern F35s are so modern they can't do what the existing jets can do, because 'there's a lot of research going on'.
 

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A Defence Department spokesman denied that the F-35's communications suite will be less effective than that of CF-18s, but acknowledged that so-called beyond-line-of-sight communications is a concern. "Communications in the Arctic represents a specific challenge to all aircraft due to lack of satellite coverage in the north," said Evan Koronewski in an email response. "Canada is working closely with the other partner nations to ensure Canadian operational requirements for communications in the Arctic are met."
I guess I was right all along thinking we needed Arctic satellites before we needed new jets.
 

lone wolf

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If drones and missiles are the future, why are we considering a stealthy fighter without engines that can't communicate?
We didn't do so well at the used submarine dealership either....
 

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Canada caught off guard.





Reuter : Ottawa Oct 14 2011, The Russian fleet has setup its own base inside Canadian territory. 6 nuclear subs & 2 frigates with 2 research labs. PM Harper has been informed by Moscow & 2 countries are in talks with each other. Dmitry Medvedev has outlined that this is Russian land priority given that oil discovery has been detected below the surface.
The Americans are not concerned until conflicts takes place & its not in their mandate to assist Canada since the 2 nations are not in joined bilateral forces in military cooperation. Canada belongs to common wealth of nations with British rule dating back to 1846.
If oil is discovered than there is an new race to get this uncharted energy on 1st come 1st serve basis. In return United states has started development in the largest state Alaska with comments from ex-governor Palin, to build the largest airport with a cost totaling 77 million dollars. Termed as Airport to nowhere. The only reason common man can think why this airport is being built is a commercial & military airport purposes combined for prevent attack from Russia.
 

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Reuter : Ottawa Oct 14 2011....

In return United states has started development in the largest state Alaska with approval from governor Palin, to build the largest airport with a cost totaling 77 million dollars. [/FONT][/SIZE]

Wow, Reuters must be having editing issues if Palin is still the governor as of Oct 14, 2011.
 

lone wolf

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Canada caught off guard.





Reuter : Ottawa Oct 14 2011, The Russian fleet has setup its own base inside Canadian territory. 6 nuclear subs & 2 frigates with 2 research labs. PM Harper has been informed by Moscow & 2 countries are in talks with each other. Dmitry Medvedev has outlined that this is Russian land priority given that oil discovery has been detected below the surface.
The Americans are not concerned until conflicts takes place & its not in their mandate to assist Canada since the 2 nations are not in joined bilateral forces in military cooperation. Canada belongs to common wealth of nations with British rule dating back to 1846.
If oil is discovered than there is an new race to get this uncharted energy on 1st come 1st serve basis. In return United states has started development in the largest state Alaska with approval from governor Palin, to build the largest airport with a cost totaling 77 million dollars. Termed as Airport to nowhere. The only reason common man can think why this airport is being built is a commercial & military airport purposes combined for prevent attack from Russia.
You, of course, have links and satellite data and maybe some knowledge of territorial waters?
 

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When we first started talking about the F - 35, I thought,"what a neat aircraft, short take off and vertical landing. They
could land at vertually any little air strip. No wonder they cost so much.........Unfortunately the aircraft Canada is buying
is a stripped down model with no vectored thrust.....basically, a very ordinary airplane that has none of the features that
made it so expensive. Why do we want this airplane? I have no idea. Meanwhile the costs are out of control and the F-35
is almost twice the cost of the stealth Eagle....a faster aircraft with a proven record.
 

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The Americans are not concerned until conflicts takes place & its not in their mandate to assist Canada since the 2 nations are not in joined bilateral forces in military cooperation. Canada belongs to common wealth of nations with British rule dating back to 1846.


I think we would be a tad bit concerned.

As Petros pointed out, that NATO thingy might come into play a bit.