Why would anyone trust the Liberals, the NDP or the Bloc?

The Old Medic

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I can't help but wonder why anyone would ever trust the Liberals, the Bloc, or even the NDP after what they all attempted to pull in their repeated attempts to bring down the elected government of Canada.

The Bloc essentially stood for an independent Quebec, and in the interim, they were supposed to push for great autonomy for Quebec. Instead, they worked with the Liberals, taking a promised few Cabinet posts, in order to get some degree of power. Their leadership was willing to give up every principle that it had EVER stood for, in order to gain just a smidgen of power.

The NDP has always stood for a much more "Liberal" approach than the Liberal party has. In fact, the NDP would more appropriately be considered to be a Socialist party. Yet, they too were more than willing to forgo their principles, in order to gain a few seats in the Cabinet and/or agencies of the government.

The Liberals were openly attempting to do ANYTHING, absolutely ANYTHING, to make any deal, to promise virtually anything to anyone, in order to bring down the Conservatives. They also were more than willing to give up any principle that they had ever espoused, in order to get into the Prime Ministers office.

Twice they lead attempted Coups against the party in power. The first time, they were thwarted by rules that they themselves had put into place, rules which allowed the Conservatives to prolog Parliament.

So, then they entered into a conspiracy with two parties that essentially stood for everything that the Liberals did not. Once again, they attempted to take over the government. This time however, their plans were severely punished by the electorate, who were disgusted with their antics.

Frankly, what I do NOT understand is why the NDP was so favored by so many voters. They were JUST AS GUILTY as the Liberals and the Bloc were. They attempted to thwart the will of the voters, TWICE, and they nakedly attempted to gain some tiny bit of power by hook or by crook. In the process, they abandoned their basic principles, the very reasons for their existence as a party, by making an alliance with both the Liberals and with the Bloc.

How could ANY party that claims to stand for the people of Canada make an alliance with a party who's stated goal is the destruction of Canada?

And how can the voters of Canada be so foolish as to actually support a party that would do such a thing?
 

TenPenny

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How could ANY party that claims to stand for the people of Canada make an alliance with a party who's stated goal is the destruction of Canada?

And how can the voters of Canada be so foolish as to actually support a party that would do such a thing?

You might want to ask Harper that question, as well.
 

The Old Medic

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Pardon the typos above. I have a broken finger, which is causing me to hit multiple and wrong keys.

Ten Penny, Harper did not make alliances with those parties. The Liberals, the Bloc and the NDP made the alliance. Are you really that dense?
 

cranky

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i didn't vote for my party because they wanted power, i asked 'whatisinitforme?'

:scratchinghead:
 

TenPenny

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Pardon the typos above. I have a broken finger, which is causing me to hit multiple and wrong keys.

Ten Penny, Harper did not make alliances with those parties. The Liberals, the Bloc and the NDP made the alliance. Are you really that dense?

Are you really that dense? Did the conservatives TRY to make an alliance with the Bloc?
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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The trouble with Ottawa is that it is real easy to get the stink of it on you, but damn near impossible to get off.

Politicians who don't play these games rarely get anywhere and that is a shame.
 

weaselwords

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Pardon the typos above. I have a broken finger, which is causing me to hit multiple and wrong keys.

Ten Penny, Harper did not make alliances with those parties. The Liberals, the Bloc and the NDP made the alliance. Are you really that dense?
How do you think the Cons made it thru 5 years of minority government? Shucks between 06 & 08 they depended on the BQ to back them for more than 1/2 of the Bills passed. Between 08 &11 They consistently used the Libs to back them up. Get off the red herring of 08 & prougation of Parliament if the constitutional conversant David Johnson was GG the outcome may not have been as pleasing to Harper,
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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How do you think the Cons made it thru 5 years of minority government? Shucks between 06 & 08 they depended on the BQ to back them for more than 1/2 of the Bills passed. Between 08 &11 They consistently used the Libs to back them up. Get off the red herring of 08 & prougation of Parliament if the constitutional conversant David Johnson was GG the outcome may not have been as pleasing to Harper,

That is what has to happen in a minority situation. That's why minorities suck.

I mean governments not visible minorities.;-)
 

Unforgiven

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The trouble with Ottawa is that it is real easy to get the stink of it on you, but damn near impossible to get off.

Politicians who don't play these games rarely get anywhere and that is a shame.

That's the problem one minute it's the government is playing these games and then next it's well you have to expect that the government is going to play these games. If it's as easy to swallow now, why was it impossible to take before?

Problem is we're now a couple of three groups that will welcome anything their team does while heaping shame and lamenting the other team does. Not much different than a Jerry Springer show.
 

SLM

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That's the problem one minute it's the government is playing these games and then next it's well you have to expect that the government is going to play these games. If it's as easy to swallow now, why was it impossible to take before?

Problem is we're now a couple of three groups that will welcome anything their team does while heaping shame and lamenting the other team does. Not much different than a Jerry Springer show.
I may be mistaken, but I believe Jerry gets better ratings.
 

WLDB

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This article makes absolutely no sense. At the time the Conservative government only had the support of about 35% of the electorate whereas the other three parties combined had a majority. By the rules of the Westminster system there is nothing wrong or illegal about this type of arrangement regardless of who is in it.
 

WLDB

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The very same point Harper made in 2004...

Indeed, and he was right. A difference between he and I is I'm consistent. Harper's opinion changed when the other side tried to do it. My opinion and the rules have not changed.
 

gerryh

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Old Medic has always seemed to have a problem understanding Canada's parliamentary system of government.
 

JLM

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I don't know..... because living life not trusting, just on principle, is a miserable way to live your life?

Good point, Gerry, however if one party stood out from the others as being trustworthy, the other parties might just disappear. :smile: