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July 9th, 2008, 08:57 AM
Abortion is natural birth control. Many other spiecies use abortion exactly as a means of birth control. Whatever anyones feelings are regarding abortion, it's here, it's always been used, it always will be used. You're arguing about a fundemental of life that you don't control and never can. Does life begin at conception? Does life begin at all? Aren't we totally emersered in life even in death? I believe that the selection of abortion is totally the potential mothers to make and when others beside the potential mother make it they tread on primal ground where they defile the fundemental laws of nature. Do not interfere with the mother, ever. Some live some die this is the way nature is.
Abortion is natural birth control. Many other spiecies use abortion exactly as a means of birth control. Whatever anyones feelings are regarding abortion, it's here, it's always been used, it always will be used. You're arguing about a fundemental of life that you don't control and never can. Does life begin at conception? Does life begin at all? Aren't we totally emersered in life even in death? I believe that the selection of abortion is totally the potential mothers to make and when others beside the potential mother make it they tread on primal ground where they defile the fundemental laws of nature. Do not interfere with the mother, ever. Some live some die this is the way nature is.
The Angry Beaver
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July 9th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Anyways, one can also look at abortions this way:
Selective Parenting. What's the difference between someone getting rid of an unwanted fetus, and someone going to the doctor to genetically modify their fetus/egg, choose their gender, basically choosing the type of child they want before it's even born?
No matter how you look at something, or what background you come from, humans have been and always will be interfeering with our own development..... and before someone claims modifying the DNA of a fetus isn't the same as "Killing" that fetus for the chance of a better one...... which is more worse? Aborting the fetus, or mutating the fetus with unknown outcomes in their future life? (Could make things better for them.... then again, might make their lives even worse.)
What about clones?
What about all the other thousands of immoral things humanity does on a daily basis?
Who's morals should the entire planet follow?
Your Morals?
My Morals?
Quoting darkbeaver
For once I was gonna give you a rep, but the damn system says I have to "Spread it Around"..... even though I have been trying to, only for it to tell me to "Spread it Around"
Abortion is natural birth control. Many other spiecies use abortion exactly as a means of birth control. Whatever anyones feelings are regarding abortion, it's here, it's always been used, it always will be used. You're arguing about a fundemental of life that you don't control and never can. Does life begin at conception? Does life begin at all? Aren't we totally emersered in life even in death? I believe that the selection of abortion is totally the potential mothers to make and when others beside the potential mother make it they tread on primal ground where they defile the fundemental laws of nature. Do not interfere with the mother, ever. Some live some die this is the way nature is.
Anyways, one can also look at abortions this way:
Selective Parenting. What's the difference between someone getting rid of an unwanted fetus, and someone going to the doctor to genetically modify their fetus/egg, choose their gender, basically choosing the type of child they want before it's even born?
No matter how you look at something, or what background you come from, humans have been and always will be interfeering with our own development..... and before someone claims modifying the DNA of a fetus isn't the same as "Killing" that fetus for the chance of a better one...... which is more worse? Aborting the fetus, or mutating the fetus with unknown outcomes in their future life? (Could make things better for them.... then again, might make their lives even worse.)
What about clones?
What about all the other thousands of immoral things humanity does on a daily basis?
Who's morals should the entire planet follow?
Your Morals?
My Morals?
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July 10th, 2008, 12:47 AM
From Cayce's perspective, we are not simply physical bodies [as the atheists believe] or even physical bodies with souls [as the anti-abortionists believe], but are instead [as the Eastern religions teach] spiritual beings who are currently having a material experience. As souls, we have manifested in the earth in order to learn lessons that will enable us to return to our former state of spiritual awareness. At the same time, the one purpose we all have in common is to bring the spirituality of the Creator into the earth.
A soul can choose to be born into either a male or a female body in any given lifetime or, as Cayce called it, an incarnation. A soul selects that environment (parents and family, location, personal obstacles, etc.) which will best allow for the learning of lessons it needs for completeness. The goal is to fully express love in all the challenges which physical life offers. One's experiences are subject to the choices made with free will. As one grows, he or she learns-or rather remembers-his or her true relationship with God and one's heritage as a spiritual being. With free will, we can turn the challenges life presents to us into stepping-stones toward growth, or we can see them as obstacles and stumbling blocks. Either way, we reap what we have sown. We constantly meet the consequences of previous deeds and attitudes.
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I had hoped to find from some wise source an explanation specifically on abortion. Couldn't find anything yet, but will keep looking.
As I have mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe in Reincarnation.
I consider myself blessed to have been given the opportunity to learn about reincarnation. To this day it is the only "religion" that makes sense to me. That is why I am opposed to abortion, but I am also tolerant enough to let the mothers and fathers weave their own karmic lessons. I don't force my belief on anybody!
With Beaver's notion that abortion is a natural birth control is nothing wrong. It is all a question of evolvement.
Abortion doesn't kill the spirit/soul, it kills the life force of the foetus. It is like killing any other living being. The body gets discarded, the spirit/soul goes back into the Astral realm, waiting for a new opportunity to incarnate. How easy it is to find the best suited parents... I have no idea.
Praxius brought another bunch of "natural" man-made manipulations into the playing field.... genetically modified fetuses.
Yes, why not?? I can already envision the next candidate for the Order of Canada!
Man is forever testing the limits of his brains!! We will have to see the results of all this genetic altering. Eventually we will be presented with the bill .....pay-time!!
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I had hoped to find from some wise source an explanation specifically on abortion. Couldn't find anything yet, but will keep looking.
As I have mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe in Reincarnation.
I consider myself blessed to have been given the opportunity to learn about reincarnation. To this day it is the only "religion" that makes sense to me. That is why I am opposed to abortion, but I am also tolerant enough to let the mothers and fathers weave their own karmic lessons. I don't force my belief on anybody!
With Beaver's notion that abortion is a natural birth control is nothing wrong. It is all a question of evolvement.
Abortion doesn't kill the spirit/soul, it kills the life force of the foetus. It is like killing any other living being. The body gets discarded, the spirit/soul goes back into the Astral realm, waiting for a new opportunity to incarnate. How easy it is to find the best suited parents... I have no idea.
Praxius brought another bunch of "natural" man-made manipulations into the playing field.... genetically modified fetuses.
Yes, why not?? I can already envision the next candidate for the Order of Canada!Man is forever testing the limits of his brains!! We will have to see the results of all this genetic altering. Eventually we will be presented with the bill .....pay-time!!
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August 17th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Top judge clarifying her position:
Top judge didn't vote in Morgentaler decision
Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin moved to stifle controversy over her role in awarding the Order of Canada to abortionist Henry Morgentaler today, saying she purposely did not cast a vote at a committee meeting where his name was proposed as a recipient.
Chief Justice McLachlin told reporters at the Canadian Bar Association's annual convention that her critics mistakenly believe she took a position in favour of Dr. Morgentaler receiving the award.
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"I made a personal policy decision that I would not weigh in for or against a particular name ... and that is the way I have always proceeded," she said. "In fact, I do not vote except I reserve the right to vote in the rare case of a tie. ...
Within moments of her declaration, Manitoba Chief Justice Richard Scott - chair of the Canadian Judicial Council's disciplinary committee - said that the chief justice's defence will likely derail the misconduct complaint.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home
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This matter still makes headlines! I thought it was done and over.
Too bad the complaint will not be taken up and dealt with in a fair and serious manner.
Some good comments here...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../home#comments
I better not point out my favorite one!!!
Top judge clarifying her position:
Top judge didn't vote in Morgentaler decision
Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin moved to stifle controversy over her role in awarding the Order of Canada to abortionist Henry Morgentaler today, saying she purposely did not cast a vote at a committee meeting where his name was proposed as a recipient.
Chief Justice McLachlin told reporters at the Canadian Bar Association's annual convention that her critics mistakenly believe she took a position in favour of Dr. Morgentaler receiving the award.
........
"I made a personal policy decision that I would not weigh in for or against a particular name ... and that is the way I have always proceeded," she said. "In fact, I do not vote except I reserve the right to vote in the rare case of a tie. ...
Within moments of her declaration, Manitoba Chief Justice Richard Scott - chair of the Canadian Judicial Council's disciplinary committee - said that the chief justice's defence will likely derail the misconduct complaint.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home
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This matter still makes headlines! I thought it was done and over.
Too bad the complaint will not be taken up and dealt with in a fair and serious manner.
Some good comments here...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../home#comments
I better not point out my favorite one!!!
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August 17th, 2008, 10:00 AM
While I'm at it, here is some news I didn't know about....
Morgentaler cleared to file suit in New Brunswick
Sat, August 9, 2008
FREDERICTON -- A New Brunswick court has cleared the way for Dr. Henry Morgentaler to challenge restrictions on abortion funding in the province.
Morgentaler, 85, is trying to force the New Brunswick government to pay for abortions at his clinic in Fredericton. About 700 women a year pay between $550 and $750 for abortions at the Morgentaler clinic. The cost depends on how far along they are in their pregnancies.
Quick math: $650 x 700 = $455,000 in Fredricton alone!!!
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Can...95531-sun.html
"Morgentaler's clinics have an estimated gross annual revenue of $11 million, according to research undertaken by the pro-life group.":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgentaler
Not a bad business venture!
While I'm at it, here is some news I didn't know about....
Morgentaler cleared to file suit in New Brunswick
Sat, August 9, 2008
FREDERICTON -- A New Brunswick court has cleared the way for Dr. Henry Morgentaler to challenge restrictions on abortion funding in the province.
Morgentaler, 85, is trying to force the New Brunswick government to pay for abortions at his clinic in Fredericton. About 700 women a year pay between $550 and $750 for abortions at the Morgentaler clinic. The cost depends on how far along they are in their pregnancies.
Quick math: $650 x 700 = $455,000 in Fredricton alone!!!
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Can...95531-sun.html
"Morgentaler's clinics have an estimated gross annual revenue of $11 million, according to research undertaken by the pro-life group.":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgentaler
Not a bad business venture!
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August 17th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Quoting tracy
I'm aware of that, tracy.
Look at the cost of the actual procedure. That 455K isn't profit.
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August 17th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Quoting Zzarchov
That was my point though it seemed to be missed by some
11 million in revenue can also be a terrible business venture, depending on what the costs are. If they are 12 million in costs then it could be horrid.
