Rex Morphy & Field Marshall R Spin Von Hillier

darkbeaver

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The popular CBC sunday dinner time radio call in show was broadcast as usual today at arround ah five pm. Todays guest propagandist was the well known and laughed at CEO of Canadas branch plant armed farces Field Marshall R Spin Von Hillier. Rex of the Right, as is his want, posited a ten minute series of monocular question and answer tidbits aimed at primeing the audiance to get the flow of horse**** running up hill as usual and a short but servile introduction of our American General, you do know we're a tightly integrated team of evil-doer hunters now don't you. Anyway Rick the Spin and suck machine licked the Canadian people all over for thier support and love while extolling the virtues of our glorious mission before taking the first call. A Ringer gets on and does the reverse lick on Von Hillier and the Canadian people mentioning the fund we should be donating to for the needy Canadian troops and thier needy familys stressing the wonderfull rebuilding and democratisation of that poor nation Afghanistan. The caller was a plant don't be horrified, Rex and company does it all the time on issues of national security.O/K heavy positive vibrations beamed out to the rabble in the first three rounds, wow
the walls in my shack were sticky with wal-mark patriotism. Next caller, a rabid but very quiet left leaning citizen gets through and mentions the oily nature of the enterprize, Rex stressed short replys from the start so's to give the maximum number of oportunitys to callers and of course his own moronic drivel added in between. Our lefty posited three more very short suscinct questions about the troops, a/ what are the number of Canadian wounded b/ why are they cut off combat pay when they have combat wounds and c/ why arent they getting psycological help for PTSDs, click. The general thanked the caller and them babbled and blathered while skating in circles and answered no questions, you know the drill. Next caller another Ringer who was pleased as pissed at our efforts to rebuild Afghanistan into a modern western state.
I'v been listening to Rex O the Golden Cake Hole for some time, his programe is a construct, the balance is tampered with, the directors really direct, they use very sloppy technique though, typical corporate contempt for ears, and obvious convienient timeing. When they have to load the call in shows with obvious and poor actors I know our indiginous Corporate Security Complex is getting full value for my tax dollar, and Uncle Sham likes it too.



General Von Hillier can spin both treads full speed nowwhere in all gears. He's very close in delivery to Brian Mulbalony you'd swear they attended the same K9 school.
 
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Dosn't anybody listen to CBC radio anymore? I don't blame you, the best news dicussion is the Master Debaters. The rest is getting so Merican like Micheal Enright thismorning little archeology interview all four proffs from the states, what ain't we got any homegrown stuff. CBC routinely interviews American experts instead of Canadian and thier use of the American stink-tanks is disgusting. Really it ain't worth listening anymore.
 

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I listen to CBC Radio whenever I can, it's as close to an unbiased source of news and information as there is around here, though I readily concede it's a long way from perfect and for that reason it's not the only source I use routinely. I didn't hear the two programs today that you mentioned so I can't comment on what went down, but I usually manage to hear most of both Michael Enright's and Rex Murphy's programs on Sundays, and generally I think they're pretty good, except when they're about things that don't interest me. Today just happened to be unusually busy and I didn't hear them.

Have you any evidence to support your claim that Murphy routinely uses planted callers to rig the program? You're essentially calling the program a fraud, which is a nasty allegation and probably legally actionable as a libel unless you can prove it. It certainly doesn't match my general impression of the program, it seems pretty much above board to me. I've been on that program as a caller, a long time ago on a program about the paranormal and more recently one about religion and science, and it didn't seem to me that there was any attempt made to screen me or filter what I wanted to say. Does it not occur to you that perhaps most CBC listeners simply don't agree with you on most issues and that's reflected in the people who call in to Cross Country Checkup? CBC listeners are not a representative sample of Canadians, if they were we'd never have right wing governments anywhere in this country, federally or provincially, but that's not evidence of fraud, it's merely a self-selected sample of certain kinds of people. As for the four U.S. archeology professors Enright interviewed this morning, maybe they were the most knowledgeable people available on whatever the issue was that they were discussing. I think you're missing something here.
 

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I listen to CBC all the time. I have great admiration for it, warts and all. I've never heard anything from the U.S. like CBC. I heard Rex yesterday and the caller who asked those 3 questions. I was all, woo hoo, answer that one! And they didn't.
I think Dex is right about the callers. It does take a certain type of person to do that in the first place and I think most people who listen to that show do so because they tend to be in agreement to begin with. Thus, all you will usually hear is rah rah. I listen to it just because it's on and I do like to know what people are thinking (like that's easy to figure out 8O)
I do get a little miffed that they call so many "experts" in the States. What, there aren't any anywhere else? Maybe they just get a really good deal on phone rates down there.
Did you catch the Vinyl Cafe yesterday? THAT was funny.

OK, back to shoveling then.
 

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I listen to CBC Radio whenever I can, it's as close to an unbiased source of news and information as there is around here, though I readily concede it's a long way from perfect and for that reason it's not the only source I use routinely. I didn't hear the two programs today that you mentioned so I can't comment on what went down, but I usually manage to hear most of both Michael Enright's and Rex Murphy's programs on Sundays, and generally I think they're pretty good, except when they're about things that don't interest me. Today just happened to be unusually busy and I didn't hear them.

Have you any evidence to support your claim that Murphy routinely uses planted callers to rig the program? You're essentially calling the program a fraud, which is a nasty allegation and probably legally actionable as a libel unless you can prove it. It certainly doesn't match my general impression of the program, it seems pretty much above board to me. I've been on that program as a caller, a long time ago on a program about the paranormal and more recently one about religion and science, and it didn't seem to me that there was any attempt made to screen me or filter what I wanted to say. Does it not occur to you that perhaps most CBC listeners simply don't agree with you on most issues and that's reflected in the people who call in to Cross Country Checkup? CBC listeners are not a representative sample of Canadians, if they were we'd never have right wing governments anywhere in this country, federally or provincially, but that's not evidence of fraud, it's merely a self-selected sample of certain kinds of people. As for the four U.S. archeology professors Enright interviewed this morning, maybe they were the most knowledgeable people available on whatever the issue was that they were discussing. I think you're missing something here.

Hey Dex I'v had a very good education of sorts, I can tell a chocolate covered dog turd from a hershey bar at several hundred meters and my ears are sensitive enough to disearn between honest talk and what should have been a fart.So are my meters.Besides it's common in the industry. If you don't think it can be easily done fine that's your problem, I'm a orthodox skeptic Dex you're an amateur. They do have archived material Dex ,analysis will prove my contentions. Liabel Dex? Who"s Rex Morphy? In any case a liabel suit would be double plus good for the pink guys, it would be 2xyummy.hahahaha :smile:
 
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I listen to CBC all the time. I have great admiration for it, warts and all. I've never heard anything from the U.S. like CBC. I heard Rex yesterday and the caller who asked those 3 questions. I was all, woo hoo, answer that one! And they didn't.
I think Dex is right about the callers. It does take a certain type of person to do that in the first place and I think most people who listen to that show do so because they tend to be in agreement to begin with. Thus, all you will usually hear is rah rah. I listen to it just because it's on and I do like to know what people are thinking (like that's easy to figure out 8O)
I do get a little miffed that they call so many "experts" in the States. What, there aren't any anywhere else? Maybe they just get a really good deal on phone rates down there.
Did you catch the Vinyl Cafe yesterday? THAT was funny.

OK, back to shoveling then.

Morning Hermite, I didn,t catch the Vinyl Cafe yesterday, the weather got in the way. What I'm saying about the CBC is the truth, they're being manipulated, which of course is what producers and directors are all about, and I know you know, but in the last eighteen months I got my ear closer than usual especially since I detected the shift in the meter. Here's another observation, the Judaic stories have increased beyond what has been traditional, I have counted the headlines and the articles, and I'v compared that to the past. Isreal has lots of friends. Maybe I'm just a little insane eh? Who cares that's not the point, I ain't no ordinary dummy, I'm a dummy of a different sort.:smile:
 

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University of Ottawa Represses Dissent






University of Ottawa represses dissent







>by Denis G. Rancourt
December 17, 2007
As Canada further integrates the military economy to the south, further formalizes its ties to the Empire, and celebrates its participation in wars of domination, one can ask: Do Canadian universities, like the courts and parliament, reflect these major corporate-driven changes? The answer is yes. Campus executive culture serves as a barometer of the nation's downward spiraling business elite ideology.
Presidents are boldly aligning themselves more than ever before and campus repression is more blatant as university executives make greater use of security and police forces to crush criticism and resistance.
Earlier this month, three community members were arrested at the University of Ottawa, which proclaims itself "Canada's university" in arguing that it is a microcosm of Canadian society. Recently, both VP-Academic Robert Major and President Gilles Patry have publicly acknowledged that the arrests were ordered by "the executive."
All three of the community members arrested had participated in the public Faculty of Science Council meeting of May 2007 to support the possible creation of a second-year activism course modelled on the successful first-year course that was accepted in August 2006 after nine months of sustained lobbying of the university.
After the May meeting the three community members were served with bogus trespass notices that were not enforced until one of them submitted an agenda item to Faculty Council for the December 6th meeting – that would have five community members elected to the 40 or so member council, in line with the university's strategic plan calling for more community participation in its governance.
Jane Scharf and Karen Dawe were arrested outside the Faculty Council meeting room on December 6th. Bob Nye left of his own accord. The Council meeting was then cancelled because of student objections.
Bob Nye was later arrested on December 8th and is being prosecuted by the University of Ottawa. He was served with a Summons to Defendant under Section 22 of the Provincial Offences Act and then escorted off campus in his wheel chair by three City of Ottawa police and several University of Ottawa security guards. He must appear in court on January 31, 2007.
Bob Nye is not your typical hardened criminal. He is a generous and mild mannered Ottawa resident involved in several different social justice and educational causes. He was hosting an information table for the Sierra Club at the Ecofair in the University Centre when U of O security spotted him.
Campus Security officers called Bob Nye away from his Sierra Club information table and informed Bob that he was not allowed on campus because he had been issued a trespass notice. Bob replied that he would therefore leave. They said no because police had already been called.
Campus Security therefore did not let Bob simply leave but instead retained him so that police could serve him with the summons to appear in court. The whole time Bob was his usual subdued and polite self. Normally, a first charge consists of a ticket under trespass law, not a summons to appear in court. This heavy handed approach may be based on a court action that will impose more severe court-ordered restrictions.
Several student and event organizers acted as witnesses, including student association executive member Seamus Wolfe and student Senate member Michael Cheevers. When Cheevers took the first picture he was warned by the police officer writing the summons and accused of obstructing justice.
Campus Security told Bob that it didn't matter why he was on campus, that he was ignoring a trespass notice, and that he was on private property.
It is obscene, in this university professor's opinion, that university executives would manage campuses as though they were private property rather than precious public spaces that are integral parts of their local communities.
It is disingenuous of President Gilles Patry to trumpet the virtues of activism, to support the university's Vision 2010 strategic plan calling on more community participation in governance, and to have community members arrested for wanting to have their voices heard at Faculty Council meetings cancelled by a petrified dean.
Any corporate space that allows free public circulation, such as a campus university centre or a shopping mall, should not, under Canadian constitutional rights, arbitrarily issue and enforce trespass notices. These institutions have always backed down before a legal defence based on constitutional grounds. Jane Scharf has vowed to take this defence to the Supreme Court if need be.
Denis G. Rancourt is a physics professor and environmental science researcher at the University of Ottawa, and an activist, anarchist, and critical pedagogue.














 

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The popular CBC sunday dinner time radio call in show was broadcast as usual today at arround ah five pm. Todays guest propagandist was the well known and laughed at CEO of Canadas branch plant armed farces Field Marshall R Spin Von Hillier. Rex of the Right, as is his want, posited a ten minute series of monocular question and answer tidbits aimed at primeing the audiance to get the flow of horse**** running up hill as usual and a short but servile introduction of our American General, you do know we're a tightly integrated team of evil-doer hunters now don't you. Anyway Rick the Spin and suck machine licked the Canadian people all over for thier support and love while extolling the virtues of our glorious mission before taking the first call. A Ringer gets on and does the reverse lick on Von Hillier and the Canadian people mentioning the fund we should be donating to for the needy Canadian troops and thier needy familys stressing the wonderfull rebuilding and democratisation of that poor nation Afghanistan. The caller was a plant don't be horrified, Rex and company does it all the time on issues of national security.O/K heavy positive vibrations beamed out to the rabble in the first three rounds, wow
the walls in my shack were sticky with wal-mark patriotism. Next caller, a rabid but very quiet left leaning citizen gets through and mentions the oily nature of the enterprize, Rex stressed short replys from the start so's to give the maximum number of oportunitys to callers and of course his own moronic drivel added in between. Our lefty posited three more very short suscinct questions about the troops, a/ what are the number of Canadian wounded b/ why are they cut off combat pay when they have combat wounds and c/ why arent they getting psycological help for PTSDs, click. The general thanked the caller and them babbled and blathered while skating in circles and answered no questions, you know the drill. Next caller another Ringer who was pleased as pissed at our efforts to rebuild Afghanistan into a modern western state.
I'v been listening to Rex O the Golden Cake Hole for some time, his programe is a construct, the balance is tampered with, the directors really direct, they use very sloppy technique though, typical corporate contempt for ears, and obvious convienient timeing. When they have to load the call in shows with obvious and poor actors I know our indiginous Corporate Security Complex is getting full value for my tax dollar, and Uncle Sham likes it too.



General Von Hillier can spin both treads full speed nowwhere in all gears. He's very close in delivery to Brian Mulbalony you'd swear they attended the same K9 school.

Did yo call in? No, didn't bother to test your confused dillusions on reality? I don't blame you, it would trouble your conspiracy-soaked existence. And where is the fun in that?
 

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Here s Rex's introduction, what part of this is objectionable, Beav?

Introduction
Rex Murphy's introduction to the December 16, 2007 program:
</B>"Afghanistan: the state of the mission - what are your questions for General Rick Hillier?" </B>

Today we have as our guest on Checkup, for the entire program General Rick Hillier. General Hillier is among the most recognized of Canadian public figures, one of - simultenously the most popular and the most controversial. He is largely credited with presiding over the renaissanace or at least the renewal of the Canadian military; he is an ardent advocate of the Aghanistan mission, and is perceived as the most dynamic Chief of Defence Staff in at least a generation.

Today we open our lines to extend an invitation to our listeners to talk with General Hillier.

We welcome calls from everyone - civilian and military; and the discussion is wide open: the state of our military; the progress or difficulties of the Afghanistan mission; policy and how it is made for the military.

You may have just a comment, you may have a question - or given the proximity of Christmas you may have a greeting.

This holiday season more than 3,000 Canadian troops are away from their families, serving on land, air and sea - In Afghanistan, in the the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea; in Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Haiti... to name some of the current missions.

Afghanistan is by far the largest and perhaps the most controversial mission ....and we welcome calls on the state of the mission there: What is the situation on the ground? What are the challenges facing Canadian troops? We also welcome more general questions and comments about the military.

What are your thoughts and questions for General Rick Hillier?

Conversation with General Rick Hillier - today on Checkup

I'm Rex Murphy ...on CBC Radio One ...and on Sirius satellite radio channel 137 ...this is Cross Country Checkup.
 

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The popular CBC sunday dinner time radio call in show was broadcast as usual today at arround ah five pm. Todays guest propagandist was the well known and laughed at CEO of Canadas branch plant armed farces Field Marshall R Spin Von Hillier. Rex of the Right, as is his want, posited a ten minute series of monocular question and answer tidbits aimed at primeing the audiance to get the flow of horse**** running up hill as usual and a short but servile introduction of our American General, you do know we're a tightly integrated team of evil-doer hunters now don't you. Anyway Rick the Spin and suck machine licked the Canadian people all over for thier support and love while extolling the virtues of our glorious mission before taking the first call. A Ringer gets on and does the reverse lick on Von Hillier and the Canadian people mentioning the fund we should be donating to for the needy Canadian troops and thier needy familys stressing the wonderfull rebuilding and democratisation of that poor nation Afghanistan. The caller was a plant don't be horrified, Rex and company does it all the time on issues of national security.O/K heavy positive vibrations beamed out to the rabble in the first three rounds, wow
the walls in my shack were sticky with wal-mark patriotism. Next caller, a rabid but very quiet left leaning citizen gets through and mentions the oily nature of the enterprize, Rex stressed short replys from the start so's to give the maximum number of oportunitys to callers and of course his own moronic drivel added in between. Our lefty posited three more very short suscinct questions about the troops, a/ what are the number of Canadian wounded b/ why are they cut off combat pay when they have combat wounds and c/ why arent they getting psycological help for PTSDs, click. The general thanked the caller and them babbled and blathered while skating in circles and answered no questions, you know the drill. Next caller another Ringer who was pleased as pissed at our efforts to rebuild Afghanistan into a modern western state.
I'v been listening to Rex O the Golden Cake Hole for some time, his programe is a construct, the balance is tampered with, the directors really direct, they use very sloppy technique though, typical corporate contempt for ears, and obvious convienient timeing. When they have to load the call in shows with obvious and poor actors I know our indiginous Corporate Security Complex is getting full value for my tax dollar, and Uncle Sham likes it too.



General Von Hillier can spin both treads full speed nowwhere in all gears. He's very close in delivery to Brian Mulbalony you'd swear they attended the same K9 school.

Dark beaver come off it. Your conspiracy paranoia has gotten the better of your ability to reason. The CBC is one of the few opportunities we get, to listen to real, unsanforized, unbleached, unspun, news, anywhere, and I very much doubt that Rex Murphy would lend his name to anything he didn't believe in. I don't say CBC is perfect but it is as close as we are going to get.
 

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Hey Dex I'v had a very good education of sorts, I can tell a chocolate covered dog turd from a hershey bar at several hundred meters and my ears are sensitive enough to disearn between honest talk and what should have been a fart.So are my meters.Besides it's common in the industry. If you don't think it can be easily done fine that's your problem, I'm a orthodox skeptic Dex you're an amateur. They do have archived material Dex ,analysis will prove my contentions. Liabel Dex? Who"s Rex Morphy? In any case a liabel suit would be double plus good for the pink guys, it would be 2xyummy.hahahaha :smile:
I don't doubt your educational qualifications, nor do I doubt that call-in programs can be easily rigged. No amount of analysis of what people say on a call-in program will prove your contentions though. You might be able to justify concluding there's a good probability that people with a particular perspective may have been organized to monopolize the lines, I've heard a case where I was pretty sure that was being done (the subject was Israel and every caller was anti-Israel), but that's merely an interpretation, not proof, nor does it justify concluding that the program organizers did it. Don't be thinking I'm any amateur skeptic either, you should know better than that.

And calling him Rex Morphy doesn't get you off the hook. It's perfectly clear from the context of your remarks who and what you're talking about.
 

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Whatever you think of Rex Murphy DB, it surely must be better than Steve Murphy. ;)
 

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Dark beaver come off it. Your conspiracy paranoia has gotten the better of your ability to reason. The CBC is one of the few opportunities we get, to listen to real, unsanforized, unbleached, unspun, news, anywhere, and I very much doubt that Rex Murphy would lend his name to anything he didn't believe in. I don't say CBC is perfect but it is as close as we are going to get.

Has it? I have in the recent past held that same view Juan, it's a matter of record here in my memoirs. But, any skeptic, and Dex will agree, must examine even cherished beliefs lest criticle thought go out with the dish water and the baby. I would challenge anyone to condend that our state media has remained pure and unbiased. I studied a bit about the stranglehold on media by the same elements that own virtually every puplication and broadcast outlet in the western world, the type of dabbling I'm suggesting happens at our own, is not out of the ordinary. What gets put before us is filtered subtely and often, I have already left here an example some months ago of what was done to an interview concerning 9/11 that was to play on the morning show the current. There are many others though, wieghing the message one way or the other is the norm nowadays not at all the exception, get used to it. Granted CBC radio in my opinion commits the sin of omission above all others. An example of this is the comedy program Master Debaters where like our much subdued American counterparts we are forced to consider the days important questions via comedy instead of civilized debate. My ability to reason (though not smokin hot like yours Juan) remains largely intact and largely employed gainfully. Many people will lend thier names willingly or not to issues they do not necessarily agree with, that's what fascisism does Juan, it can make a man quack when he realy wants to bark. Mr Morphy would not even need to know where any particular call came from, and such a simple minded twit wouldn't be considered for a job like that in the first place, and quess what, neither would the switchboard.
 

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Wait wait wait, DB. One only has to compare the news of a particular happening on some
news rags.....(CNN comes to mind) with news from more reputable sources and it is not immediately obvious you are reading about the same happening. I would call your attention to the stories about Private Jessica, or Pat Tillman as examples.
 

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Wait wait wait, DB. One only has to compare the news of a particular happening on some
news rags.....(CNN comes to mind) with news from more reputable sources and it is not immediately obvious you are reading about the same happening. I would call your attention to the stories about Private Jessica, or Pat Tillman as examples.


Exactly Juan, so you know the lag between the Canadian and American markets that Canadians of our generation are well aware of, used to be it was about 5 or 6 years for consumer products as I think I remember, well that lag is catching up to real time here in Canada, if they want to pull off SPP (and they desperately do) they have to emulate American media as close as possible, all other Canadian institutions and cultural practices are being aligned with American legislation our cherished CBC won't be the last thing to be painted by that brush. We don't have to argue about this it ain't potent nuff to lose sleep over today but tomorrow you will remember and so will every Canadian and Mexican, Americans are the worlds #1 victims they'll be the last to wake up.
 

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Media Disinformation on 911: Anatomy of a Hatchet Job: CBC Radio’s “The Current” and Scholars for 9/11 Truth

by Prof. Michael Keefer

Global Research, August 29, 2006



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Most of us, I would guess, are well aware of the constructed nature of the news and news commentaries fed to us daily by the corporate or “mainstream” media. We’re not surprised to find, in those cases where we have managed to obtain independent knowledge of a subject, that mainstream news stories are often only tenuously connected to what appears to have been the actual series of events. And we’re coming to expect, on the part of the people who construct these news stories and tell us how to interpret them, an increasingly slender respect for such archaic notions as truth, rudimentary ethics, and intellectual integrity.
As Arundhati Roy puts it, “In the ‘free’ market, free speech has become a commodity like everything else—justice, human rights, drinking water, clean air. It’s available only to those who can afford it. And naturally, those who can afford it use free speech to manufacture the kind of product, confect the kind of public opinion, that best suits their purpose.”1
Critical understanding of this kind has been assisted by the spectacular deconstruction in recent years of a whole series of major news stories, which have noisily disintegrated before our eyes—rather in the manner of those self-destructing public sculptures which enjoyed a brief vogue in the latter part of the twentieth century. When those Rube-Goldberg or Heath-Robbins-ish artifacts were exhibited by their creators, they clanked, grunted, heaved, threw off sparks, set themselves on fire, and eventually collapsed into smoking heaps of cogs, wires, pulleys and girders before appreciative audiences of avant-garde cognoscenti.
That’s much what happened in 2003 and since to the corporate media’s narratives about Saddam Hussein’s fearsome weapons of mass destruction, about the supposed reluctance of Bush and Blair to go to war in Iraq, and their supposedly pure and democratic motives when they did. That’s much what’s happening now to the claims advanced by Israel to legitimize its renewed aggressions against the Palestinians and Lebanese (Hizbollah’s “kidnapping” of two Israeli soldiers rather loses its steam as a casus belli once people learn about Israel’s prior provocations—and about the fact that all the early Israeli statements and press reports identified the soldiers as having been on Lebanese soil when they were captured).2 It’s happening as well to two somewhat more complex stories that have, until recently, been managing to sustain themselves in the corporate media.
One of these is the story that George W. Bush actually won the 2004 presidential election, and hence has some right to the office he continues to occupy.3 The other is the no less fraudulent story that the terrorist crimes of September 11, 2001 were perpetrated by a gang of Islamist fanatics led by a bearded Saudi in an Afghan cave—rather than being organized (and subsequently covered up) by civilian and military officials at the highest levels of the Bush regime.
Even if the general pattern is well known, one small further example of how the mainstream media typically operate may still be of some interest—not least because it provides an indication of the degree to which publicly-owned broadcasters have been swayed in the same direction as the rest of the corporate media by the often unsubtle pressures exerted on them by corporatist politicians. In the present case, the immediate operators are functionaries within the radio division of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which as a publicly owned broadcaster provides news that is still in some respects distinguishable from the offerings of the privately-owned media. But savage government cuts followed by internal reorganizations have effectively lobotomized much of CBC Radio’s public affairs programming.
It would seem that the recent and ongoing public disintegration of the 9/11 story has been a matter of concern to CBC functionaries. Existing demolitions of the official 9/11 narrative have gained added weight in recent months from the public interventions of Professors James Fetzer and Steven Jones, co-founders of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, who together with other distinguished scholars and scientists who have joined this group, notably the theologian David Ray Griffin, have been publishing scrupulously researched studies of the 9/11 evidence—and have as well been making increasingly high-profile media appearances across the U.S.
Why should this concern the CBC? Because together with the rest of the Canadian mainstream media, the CBC has taken on the task of swinging Canadian public opinion into support for Canada’s increasingly aggressive participation in the occupation of Afghanistan—a country that was bombed, invaded, and occupied by the United States in 2001 as punishment for giving refuge to Osama bin Laden, the man accused of masterminding the atrocities of 9/11. Obviously enough, if the real organizers of the 9/11 attacks were in fact senior officials of the U.S. government, then that opinion-molding project collapses into rubble.
CBC Radio’s “The Current”
When I learned on August 17, 2006 that “The Current,” CBC Radio’s leading weekday public affairs program, intended to devote a major part of its time on the following day to “conspiracy theory” and the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, I emailed Anna Maria Tremonti, the program’s host. Indicating my own awareness of “the converging conclusions both of many citizen-activists and of researchers from disciplines including mechanical engineering, physics, philosophy, and economics that the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job,” I expressed hope that the program “[would] be treating scholarly investigative research into this subject with the seriousness it deserves.”
I said that I assumed “The Current” would be interviewing one or the other of the co-founders of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, James Fetzer, McKnight University Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, and Steven Jones, Professor of Physics at Brigham Young University. I noted that this group has some Canadian members (myself among them). And I ventured to add my opinion that “‘conspiracy theory’ is in most of its applications a foolish term, which serves primarily to obstruct critical and scientific rationality”; a more helpful term, I said, might be “‘deception theory’—a notion whose roots in Western philosophical and literary culture go back to Plato and to early humanist textual criticism.”
Fishing for an interview? I think not: the program’s contents must long since have been finalized, and I don’t much like stints on radio or television.4 More probably, the teacher in me was working overtime. When one has devoted long hours to critically analyzing a subject, it’s hard to resist passing on some of what one knows.
On the afternoon of August 18, I received a boiler-plate response from Lisa Ayuso at “The Current.” Thanking me for sharing my thoughts on their programming, she informed me that they had interviewed Mark Fenster, provided the website address for the program’s “showlog,” and assured me that my comments would be forwarded “to the staff for their perusal.”
By the time I received this message, I’d already listened to the audio stream of the August 18th edition of “The Current” on the CBC’s website. The entire segment on 9/11 and “conspiracy theory” consisted of a single long interview with an academic whose work in the field of cultural studies I respect—but who was at once arrogantly dismissive of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth and quite astonishingly underinformed about the state of research into the events of 9/11. Since the staff at “The Current” were so amiably willing to peruse the opinions of their listeners, I thought I’d give them something more substantial to chew on. Here’s the text of my second missive, emailed on the evening of August 18.
A second letter to “The Current”
Dear Lisa Ayuso,
Thank you for your response.
I was able to catch Susan Ormiston’s interview with Professor Mark Fenster of the University of Florida this-morning, though only on the audio stream provided by your website—which tantalizingly omitted a couple of segments, making it impossible to guess what the debate involving a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that Ormiston and Fenster commented on might have consisted of.
I know Mark Fenster’s book ‘Conspiracy Theory’ (U of Minnesota Press, 1999): it’s an excellent piece of work, full of fine analyses of what Richard Hofstadter famously called “the paranoid style in American politics.” Fenster has illuminating things to say about subjects like ‘The X-Files’, the militia movement, Christofascist apocalyptic thought, and appalling conspiracy fictions like ‘The Turner Diaries’. As one might expect of someone with a Ph.D. in communications, he’s well up on contemporary literary and cultural theory, and deploys it interestingly.
But I can’t help wondering why Professor Fenster thought himself qualified to comment on current historical and materials-science research into the events of September 11, 2001, and why he thought it appropriate to conflate this kind of research with the popular-culture paranoia on which he is indeed an expert.
Fenster himself made a point of raising the issue of scholarly credentials when he said of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth that “Their credentials are not quite at the level that one would expect for the sort of blue-ribbon panel—.” Starting his thought afresh, he continued, “And frequently they have expertise, but not necessarily in the areas in which they’re making arguments and making claims.”
Let’s follow up that thought. Fenster advanced some fairly strong claims in the course of his interview—not least in identifying the Scholars for 9/11 Truth as “conspiracy theorists.” As he knows, this is both a disabling rhetorical move and an insult. (In the introduction to his book ‘Conspiracy Theory’, he observed that in political discussion, “one can hurl no greater insult than to describe another’s positions as the product of a ‘conspiracy theory’.”)
Fenster somehow knows, then, that the analyses by credentialed physicists and mechanical engineers of the collapses of the Twin Towers and of WTC 7 that have been published on the website of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth (www.st911.org) and in the ‘Journal of 9/11 Studies’ are rubbish—on a level, one must presume, with crackpot speculations about the Illuminati, or anti-semitic fantasies about the ZOG’s black helicopters. And Fenster knows this even though some of these scientists’ 9/11 analyses have been peer-reviewed or refereed—which means that their evidence and arguments have been critically assessed and approved by other scientists and scholars with appropriate expertise.
On the basis of what expertise, I wonder, does Fenster arrive at a conclusion at once so definitive and so insulting?
I wouldn’t guess that he knows much himself about physics, or chemistry, or mechanical engineering. (In remarking on the debate over planned demolition involving an unnamed member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Fenster seemed to think that the presence of sulphur compounds in the ruins went against the evidence for demolition: sulphidation and intergranular eutectic melting of structural steel are actually signatures of thermate, which there are other reasons as well to think was used in the demolition of the World Trade Center towers).
Moreover, during his interview Fenster made it very clear that he also knows next to nothing about published research into the material and historical evidence we possess of the events of 9/11. He stated at one point that there was an interesting delay between those events and the point at which “conspiracy theory” interpretations of them began to appear: “the lag was about four to five years,” he said, adding that only after the 2004 U.S. election did conspiratorial interpretations of 9/11 begin to be produced.
Setting aside Professor Fenster’s difficulties with arithmetic (from September 11, 2001 to November 2nd, 2004 is actually just three years and a bit), what he was confessing here—though Susan Ormiston wasn’t up to noticing the fact—is that he’s been asleep at the wheel.
Here are just a few of the critical studies—all of them published prior to the 2004 election, and dealing partly or in whole with 9/11—that Fenster managed not to notice, and has presumably still not got around to reading:
Michel Chossudovsky, ‘War and Globalisation: The Truth Behind September 11’ (2002).
John McMurtry, ‘Value Wars: The Global Market Versus the Life Economy’ (2002).
Eric Hufschmid, ‘Painful Questions: An Analysis of the September 11th Attack’ (2002).
Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, ‘The War on Freedom: How and Why America was Attacked, September 11, 2001’ (2002).
------, ‘Behind the War on Terror: Western Secret Strategy and the Struggle for Iraq’ (2003).
David Ray Griffin, ‘The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11’ (2004).
Michael C. Ruppert, ‘Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil’ (2004).
To these one might add Paul Thompson’s ‘9/11 Timeline’, an analytic compilation based wholly on material published in the mainstream media which has been available online, in ever-expanding versions, since 2002, and was recently published in book form.
Fenster might well not agree with some of the interpretations advanced by these writers (Professor McMurtry, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada and internationally recognized philosopher, and Professor Griffin, an equally distinguished scholar who has published some two dozen books, are both members of the despised Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and therefore mere conspiracy theorists). But he might find it instructive to engage with the historical evidence—matters of undisputed public record—that are assembled and reflected on in these and other more recent studies of the 9/11 events and their aftermath.
Let me conclude with two suggestions.
I would propose, as a matter of caution if not of intellectual principle, that Professor Fenster make some effort to inform himself about the subject under discussion before he next chooses to make a fool of himself on Canadian national radio.
And I would suggest that the producers of “The Current” try to remember the CBC’s distinguished past as a public and public-interest broadcaster. The network’s reputation is not well served by programs which are so transparently designed to present one opinion only—and that opinion a singularly ill-informed one—on matters of major public and historical interest.
Yours sincerely,…
By way of coda…
Thinking on the evening of August 18 that my correspondence with “The Current” might be of interest to James Fetzer and Steven Jones, I forwarded them a copy of it—and heard back from Professor Fetzer almost at once.
“This is very interesting,” he wrote. “‘The Current’ interviewed me (taped in advance) on Wednesday, 2 August”—for a program that “was supposed to be broadcast on Friday, 4 August, but was ‘bumped’ because of the new ‘terrorist ring’ break-up. I was told they would reschedule and let me know when it would run.”
Fetzer thought this interview had gone very well—in part, he said, because he “took the host’s questions apart.” (For samples of Fetzer’s polite but formidable command of the facts, and of his astute explanations of the appropriate protocols of interpretation, see the links to his recent interviews with various U.S. broadcasters that are provided at the website of Scholars for 9/11 Truth: www.st911.org.) He found it interesting as well—perhaps amusing, if I’m not over-interpreting his brief message—that after spiking an interview that one might guess was a good deal too lucid and well-informed for the CBC’s taste, “The Current” then sought to bury the issue by bringing in another scholar, Fenster, whose name sounds vaguely similar.
So there we have it, folks: just a little something to mull over the next time we hear Anna Maria Tremonti or her clones pontificating on the War on Terror, the vital (if also vehemently unwanted) job that Canada’s soldiers are doing in bringing democracy-at-gunpoint to Afghanistan’s surly inhabitants, or the self-evident follies and inanities of 9/11 research.
It’s not simple ignorance we’re hearing over our national airwaves, but intentional and malicious ignorance; not stupidity alone, but intellectual dishonesty as well.
Michael Keefer is Professor of English at the University of Guelph, and a Contributing Editor to the Centre for Research on Globalization.

1 Arundhati Roy, War Talk (Cambridge, Mass.: South End Press, 2003), p. 78.​
2 See Joshua Frank, “Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon? Official justification for Israel’s invasion on thin ice,” Antiwar.com (25 July 2006), available at the Centre for Research on Globalization, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FRA20060725&articleid=2813; Trish Shuh, “Operation ‘Change of Location’? How Reports of the July 12th Capture of IDF Soldiers Soon Shifted from Lebanon to Israel,” Counterpunch (15 August 2006), http://www.counterpunch.org/schuh08152006.html; and George Monbiot, “Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbollah, right? Wrong,” The Guardian (9 August 2006), available at the Centre for Research on Globalization, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MON20060809&articleid=2926
3 Early challenges to this fiction included my article “The Strange Death of American Democracy: Endgame in Ohio,” Centre for Research on Globalization (24 January 2005), http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE501A.html; more recent and more wide-ranging studies include Mark Crispin Miller, Fooled Again (New York: Basic Books, 2005); Steven F. Freeman and Joel Bleifuss, Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? (New York: Seven Stories Press, 2006); and Greg Palast, Armed Madhouse (New York: Dutton, 2006), pp. 187-263.

4 You can blow the dust off a textual critic, but why torment him with microphones? Ruminative pauses that students might interpret as evidence of cogitation are just dead air to media audiences.​



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