Drug rape myth exposed

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Oct 27, 2006
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by JENNY HOPE

Women who claim to be victims of 'date-rape' drugs such as Rohypnol have in fact been rendered helpless by binge-drinking, says a study by doctors.
They found no evidence that any woman seeking help from emergency doctors because their drinks were allegedly spiked had actually been given these drugs.
Around one in five tested positive for recreational drugs while two-thirds had been drinking heavily.
The findings further erode the theory that there is widespread use of Rohypnol and GHB, another drug said to be favoured by predatory rapists.
Last month a personal safety campaigner claimed that Rohypnol had never been used to assist a sexual assault in the UK. Doctors carrying out the latest study at the Wrexham Maelor Hospital said it was far more likely women were claiming their drinks had been spiked as an "excuse" for binge-drinking.
The 12-month study was based on 75 patients - mostly women - treated in casualty who told doctors their drinks had been tampered with in pubs or clubs.
But tests for drugs such as Rohypnol, GHB and ketamine found nothing, says the study published in the Emergency Medicine Journal.
It showed 65 per cent of women had 160mg of alcohol in their blood - twice the 80mg drink/drive limit - and a quarter were three times over the limit. Although all the patients denied taking drugs such as cocaine and amphetamine, one fifth tested positive.
Researcher Dr Hywel Hughes, an associate specialist in A&E said: "This study confirmed our suspicion that most of the patients with suspected drink-spiking would test negative for drugs. No ketamine, GHB or Rohypnol was found in the samples which suggest they are not commonly used to spike drinks.
"There has been a lot of media coverage in recent years, mainly focusing on just a few substances including Rohypnol and GHB, which has led to the perception that drinkspiking is a widespread practice. But most patients allegedly having a spiked drink tested negative for drugs misuse.
"Claiming their drink has been spiked may be used as an excuse by patients who have become incapacitated after the voluntary consumption of excess alcohol."
Dr Hughes said some women might have felt ashamed at ending up in casualty. "There seems to be greater awareness about the dangers of binge-drinking, which is where the emphasis should stay," he added.
Last month Julie Bentley, chief executive of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, said many women fall victim to sexual assaults after being plied with alcohol. Commenting on claims that Rohypnol had played a part in sex attacks, she said: "As far as I am aware, there has never been a case of Rohypnol in this country found."
In the light of the latest research, Dr Peter Saul, a GP in Wrexham, said: "There had always been a suspicion that people would say that their drinks had been spiked when perhaps they had misjudged how much alcohol they were taking.
"If you go home and your parents are there, and you are vomiting on the path, and you come in in a terrible state, you get sympathy if you say, 'My drink was spiked'.
"You don't get sympathy if you say, 'We spent too long in the bar'."
He added: "The message has to be: be careful - not just about having your drink spiked - but how much alcohol you have."
 

tamarin

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That's a heads-up. We've become used to young and middling women appearing intoxicated in public in the wee hours of a city's nightlife. Well, it's good that excuses will no longer carry the day.
 

marygaspe

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so who did the study-guys? i bet it was guys. most men still dont get it in my opinion, no really means no.

And don't assume that they "get it" when they get older! Many, many men think their attention is all we want! Like we'd melt in their arms because of how wonderfully charming they are(yeah-RIGHT)
 

AmberEyes

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so who did the study-guys? i bet it was guys. most men still dont get it in my opinion, no really means no.

I don't disagree. But that's not really what the topic is about, it's about women using the excuse of a drug that isn't really there to cover up for their drinking habits. And it isn't right. If a person, no matter what gender, drinks to the point their rendered helpless it's their fault for getting in that situation. Sometimes when a person is so drunk, they do get raped.. because they can't comprehend what's going on. If they don't want to be in that dangerous situation, they simply shouldn't drink that much.
 

Curiosity

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Is this "report" claiming that the regular rape kit and blood tests indicate no Rohypnol or Ketinol or any other drug has been found ever in the blood or urine??

Or....have any rape kit tests been done preferring to blame alcohol rather than valid drugs as well.

This "personal safety campaigner"... sounds like he grew up in the 50s.

http://www.4woman.gov/faq/rohypnol.htm
 

temperance

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Sep 27, 2006
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What the point ,the girls going to the hospital obviously had been violated ,with or without the drug

Honestly this is so frigged up ,the drugs are out there and women /men are being raped and the discussion on if they used a date rape drug is secondary no its last ,whatever ,what is this justification ,"ha ha you lied ,you were raped but not with the right drugs ,he he " Sounds stupid ayy
 

hermanntrude

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This is certainly to be taken with a pinch of salt. of course people are likely to use this as an excuse at times but it is a real issue as well. A friend of mine had her drink spiked with some contaminated heroin. the only reason she didnt get raped was she went into a seizure. She's been having them ever since.
 

temperance

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oH thats not fair ,your friend is damaged for life ,by trusting ,not even by just being ,what is our world coming to ,go get a hooker for gods sake (one thats is 18 one that is not forced )
 

karrie

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This is something that definitely needs to be stressed more often to the young women of society.... alcohol can be very hard to use responsibly, and can put you in a very dangerous position if you overdo it. Plain and simple. Drugs or no drugs, you can be seriously hurt if you're heading out for a night of binge drinking.

But, to release a study implying that no one has ever been dosed is such a load of bull. I know a family whose doorbell rang at 3AM. They opened their door to find their 17 yr old daughter, naked and wrapped in a sheet, bleeding to death on their doorstep as the people who had dumped her there sped off. She was rushed to the hospital where she had to have surgery to remove her uterus, and repair a punctured lung (her ribs had been crushed). They found 7 distinct DNA sample on her. She had listened to her parents when they told her not to drink. The docs found no alcohol in her system, only rohypnol. to say it never happens is pure BS.
 

tracy

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Not only that, but not testing positive doesn't mean that someone hasn't consumed the drug. It leaves the system pretty quickly.
 

karrie

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Wether she has been drugged or is too drunk to render a coherent NO it's still sexual assault. A gentleman does not take advantage of a lady in a drunken state.

I don't think the study was saying it's okay because the women got drunk on their own, but, to help educate women that, even if they guard their drinks all night long, after ten drinks, you're still a potential victim incapable of protecting yourself. Being drug smart isn't a cure-all for protecting yourself from rape.
 

temperance

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Remember going out ,gee sound like I'm 90 or something --lol But I remember we always went out in groups girls ,you know we always watched out for each other ,when to only places we knew other people so in the even t someone "over did it " we made sure to get them home safe

Are we as women become bold ,or are we being to trusting or both ,why is there so much invasion of another or was it always there ,its just now we speak of it ,we realize, we can speak of it and don't need to be victims for ever ,and why are so many men getting kicks from this ,what cant they get a girl to be with you -- again I say go get a pro (a 18 years old thats willing )

Not only are these women being raped there being taped and its being shared with you knows
Such violations, where does this come from, the need to violate another human ?