#1Feb 18th, 2006
Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
#2
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
I want to be free to deliberately insult and incite people.
Not for any good reason, just because we want to.
There.
Not for any good reason, just because we want to.
There.
#3
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
I'm all for supporting the Danish or at least the right for free speech, but I do not think it is right for a "public" site like this to chose side's so in your face like. I think we all show our belief in this matter by how we post and having the Danish flag up there may discourage Muslim-Canadian's from posting or coming here.
#4
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Finder
Denmark as a country isn't anti-muslim or anti-muslim-canadian.. They are pro-free-speech and the actions of private company in their country don't necessarily reflect on Danish people or Denmark its self. If a Muslim-Canadian can't appreciate that, then they don't have to sign up to these forums. We're showing our solidarity with Denmark by using these means. It's not exactly in your face either, it's simply a small image near the top of the screen.. I'd say that my signature is in your face, though.I'm all for supporting the Danish or at least the right for free speech, but I do not think it is right for a "public" site like this to chose side's so in your face like. I think we all show our belief in this matter by how we post and having the Danish flag up there may discourage Muslim-Canadian's from posting or coming here.
#5
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Very good Andem.
The Danes are going to have enough of the muslim
self righteousness.
The Danes are going to have enough of the muslim
self righteousness.
#6
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Andem
It seems that the endless Mohammed cartoon protests are backfiring because now cartoons & jokes about the protesters are appearing all over the internet.This has gone on too long and the more people who lend their support to freedom and freedom of press, the stronger we will all be.
Most people, except for terminally politically correct types, are getting bored with this nonsense. Apparently moderate muslims realize this fact.
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#7
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Actually the longer the muslims continue as they do,
the more you will see the Liberals and Conservatives
of the Western world unite, regardless of our self knowlege of hypocrisy.
We're going to find out how little they know of us,
how obtuse their understanding of who we are.
We're learning more about ourselves and them than
they are.
the more you will see the Liberals and Conservatives
of the Western world unite, regardless of our self knowlege of hypocrisy.
We're going to find out how little they know of us,
how obtuse their understanding of who we are.
We're learning more about ourselves and them than
they are.
#10
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
I urge you to reconsider, Andem.
For Canadian Content to take such a position on the topic, as a whole, when there is such controversy surrounding the issue, is not a wise decision, with all due respect. Perhaps a public statement outlining the official position of the Administration would be more in order, rather than making a representation of the entire membership.
For Canadian Content to take such a position on the topic, as a whole, when there is such controversy surrounding the issue, is not a wise decision, with all due respect. Perhaps a public statement outlining the official position of the Administration would be more in order, rather than making a representation of the entire membership.
#11
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
FiveParadox, the definition of freedom absolutely requires the freedom to offend, and there is no sacred
cow immune from a cartoon.
You must graduate from appeasement into some
tougher stock.
We all learn how to grow up and handle verbal insults
and none of us are so self-sacred as to be beyond
all reproach.
Apparently acid comedy is king, and drama is for Queens.
Let them have their self righteous temper tantrum.
Let them face it.
Self righteous drama queens.
Appeasing a drama queen is plainly stupid.
cow immune from a cartoon.
You must graduate from appeasement into some
tougher stock.
We all learn how to grow up and handle verbal insults
and none of us are so self-sacred as to be beyond
all reproach.
Apparently acid comedy is king, and drama is for Queens.
Let them have their self righteous temper tantrum.
Let them face it.
Self righteous drama queens.
Appeasing a drama queen is plainly stupid.
#12
Recommendation Withdrawn
Feb 18th, 2006
I see.However, as the Right Honourable Stephen Harper has indicated, we must also recognize the right of people to protest others' use of that freedom of speech; are we going to post some kind of Muslim symbol, too, to support their right to the freedom of speech?
For the Administration to make a representation of the entire membership, and Canadian Content as a whole, is an inappropriate action for an organization such as this to make, in my opinion. While I respect whatever decision the Admins may make in this regard, that doesn't mean I have to necessarily agree.
#13
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
You chatter yourself out of all understanding.
Muslims are quite welcome here.
Only the grown-ups know that.
Muslims are quite welcome here.
Only the grown-ups know that.
#14
Re: Recommendation Withdrawn
Feb 18th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Then feel free to use the Moon God as your avatar. When it's your right to ad things to your boards hearder, you can do so then too.
However, as the Right Honourable Stephen Harper has indicated, we must also recognize the right of people to protest others' use of that freedom of speech; are we going to post some kind of Muslim symbol, too, to support their right to the freedom of speech?
For the Administration to make a representation of the entire membership, and Canadian Content as a whole, is an inappropriate action for an organization such as this to make, in my opinion. While I respect whatever decision the Admins may make in this regard, that doesn't mean I have to necessarily agree.
bu-bye.
#15
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
You have done the right thing, Andem & I'm 100% standing beside you.
#16
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Five, the Ruling Government of Denmark didn't have a choice on the Cartoons being published, it was Freedom of the Press. The flag of Denmark represents the rights of Govenment to not surpress those rights. The flag is not a symbol that insults any religion it just shows support for that Country and the hell it is being put through because of a Cartoon that a group found offensive.
#17
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
FiveParadox, being the preacher of tolerance
and free expression should certainly subscribe
to what Sassylassie said.
Where's Jo Canadian's cartoons ?
Let's slam every righteous pomposity there is.
Even of ourselves, and lord knows we've all seen a lot
of that.
Do the muslims poke at themselves ?
Do they dare ?
and free expression should certainly subscribe
to what Sassylassie said.
Where's Jo Canadian's cartoons ?
Let's slam every righteous pomposity there is.
Even of ourselves, and lord knows we've all seen a lot
of that.
Do the muslims poke at themselves ?
Do they dare ?
#18
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Alright, whatever.
Consider my objection to have been deemed withdrawn.
Consider my objection to have been deemed withdrawn.
#19
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Five, with your ethics you should run for politics. I'm not kidding, you have wonderful Moral Fiber there son. I will be the first to vote for you.
#21
RE: Danish Flag added to
Feb 18th, 2006
Well, my two pennies worth as co-admin ... I agree with having the Danish flag on the header. On a personal level, I think the whole fight is stupid. Cartoons have always been cutting. Live with it. As co-admin, I think it's good for the forum to express an opinion. Anyone interested enough to explore it will come in and see we're not bashing anyone.
It doesn't represent anti-anything ... it represents free speech. Our forum supports that. If individuals don't agree, they are free to start a thread to that effect. We need a good debate around here! We haven't had the opportunity yet to send anyone to Wreck Beach and Haggis is getting impatient!
It doesn't represent anti-anything ... it represents free speech. Our forum supports that. If individuals don't agree, they are free to start a thread to that effect. We need a good debate around here! We haven't had the opportunity yet to send anyone to Wreck Beach and Haggis is getting impatient!
#23
Re: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Well I had a nice little post here just before I lost power and lost my post. So I'll make this one short.
I will not give up on this like Paradox already did. I believe in free speech like any other and almost anyone who I've seen post here. HOWEVER, since this is a puplic forum I think it's a really bad idea to make it forum policy to support this cause in this way. It was once uttered that "Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell "FIRE" in a crowded building" Why are we yelling fire in a puplic forum. I think it would be nice for the site to have a statement about this exlaining why the editor, or the forum owner would like to support the freedom of speech but to place a symbol which some may few as offensive, I do not think it is a good idea. Myself I support the Danish, hell I'd wear a shirt with the Danish flag on it, but thats me. To speek for all the forum, like this and to just planning put a symbol which some may not understand your meaning to and may see it as a ofense to islam, I think is a grave mistake, if not in my own thought somewhat childish. I do not think this forum should degreed itself and debase itself to such a tic for tac operation.
I will not give up on this like Paradox already did. I believe in free speech like any other and almost anyone who I've seen post here. HOWEVER, since this is a puplic forum I think it's a really bad idea to make it forum policy to support this cause in this way. It was once uttered that "Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell "FIRE" in a crowded building" Why are we yelling fire in a puplic forum. I think it would be nice for the site to have a statement about this exlaining why the editor, or the forum owner would like to support the freedom of speech but to place a symbol which some may few as offensive, I do not think it is a good idea. Myself I support the Danish, hell I'd wear a shirt with the Danish flag on it, but thats me. To speek for all the forum, like this and to just planning put a symbol which some may not understand your meaning to and may see it as a ofense to islam, I think is a grave mistake, if not in my own thought somewhat childish. I do not think this forum should degreed itself and debase itself to such a tic for tac operation.
#24
Agree With Finder
Feb 18th, 2006
I agree entirely, Finder.
I support the freedom of speech of the Danish press. I support the freedom of speech of the Muslim people across our world, and in particular, Canada. Whether or not one would care to concede that this is true, I would argue that the placement of the Danish flag on the header of Canadian Content would be seen by many as an assertion in favour of Denmark, and in opposition to Muslims (or at least Muslims who are protesting, whether or not such protests or assemblies are within the rule of law).
While I doubt that these opinions are going to change the action of the Administration on this topic, I would urge our administrative body to consider other options to express their support for Denmark — for example, publishing a statement on the Canadian Content.net forum.
I support the freedom of speech of the Danish press. I support the freedom of speech of the Muslim people across our world, and in particular, Canada. Whether or not one would care to concede that this is true, I would argue that the placement of the Danish flag on the header of Canadian Content would be seen by many as an assertion in favour of Denmark, and in opposition to Muslims (or at least Muslims who are protesting, whether or not such protests or assemblies are within the rule of law).
While I doubt that these opinions are going to change the action of the Administration on this topic, I would urge our administrative body to consider other options to express their support for Denmark — for example, publishing a statement on the Canadian Content.net forum.
#25
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
My ditaste for these Muslims will be done peacefully, The company I own will not be donating to any charity that sends money to a Country that is more then 50% Muslim
#26
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
Good for you, Gerald24.
Perhaps next time I hear of a Christian group arguing against same-sex marriage, I should see appropriate to discontinue contributions to any nation that is over 50% Christian in population. Sounds good to me.
This entire situation has become rather petty. Nobody is arguing over free speech anymore — we are arguing over a freedom to offend, which is quite frankly put, not the same thing. Freedom of speech has been exercised by the Danish press and, as is a reasonable risk whenever one exercises that freedom, someone was offended. However, this time, instead of dealing with the situation appropriately, these cartoons are being republished everywhere in an effort not to re-assert freedom of speech, but rather to rub it in their faces.
Perhaps next time I hear of a Christian group arguing against same-sex marriage, I should see appropriate to discontinue contributions to any nation that is over 50% Christian in population. Sounds good to me.
This entire situation has become rather petty. Nobody is arguing over free speech anymore — we are arguing over a freedom to offend, which is quite frankly put, not the same thing. Freedom of speech has been exercised by the Danish press and, as is a reasonable risk whenever one exercises that freedom, someone was offended. However, this time, instead of dealing with the situation appropriately, these cartoons are being republished everywhere in an effort not to re-assert freedom of speech, but rather to rub it in their faces.
#27
Re: RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Thats you interpretation, but I can tell you many people feel that it is freedom of speech. As was said before the Danish flag does not represent a cartoon, its represents a country which is under attack. How can you not stand with our allies when their people are being called out for death because of something they had no control over. What if it had been Canadian who published the cartoons instead, would you like us to remove all Canadian flags because its might offend hate filled animals? However, this time, instead of dealing with the situation appropriately, these cartoons are being republished everywhere in an effort not to re-assert freedom of speech, but rather to rub it in their faces.
What if homosexuals became the next target and were told to keep it on the down low and hide the rainbow flag? Fact is we live in the civilized world and we dont need censorship, if people riot and kill here they will be punished!!!
#28
RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006
You are inciting fear over something that has not happened.
There have been no reports of violence as a result of this incident in Canada; however, if we punish our Muslim citizens here, then what kind of message does that send to Muslim people abroad? That their opinion is not welcome.
There have been no reports of violence as a result of this incident in Canada; however, if we punish our Muslim citizens here, then what kind of message does that send to Muslim people abroad? That their opinion is not welcome.
#29
Re: Recommendation Withdrawn
Feb 18th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Like a little burning embassy? And seriously how is a little flag in the corner punishment?
However, as the Right Honourable Stephen Harper has indicated, we must also recognize the right of people to protest others' use of that freedom of speech; are we going to post some kind of Muslim symbol, too, to support their right to the freedom of speech?
Anyone have any good Avatar or signature that are tastefull and reflect support of the Danes?
#30
Re: RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
Feb 18th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
No I am giving you a comparable scenario.You are inciting fear over something that has not happened.
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If someone in Canada has been the one who drew up this cartoon the reaction would not change, just substitute the Danish flag with a maple leaf.There have been no reports of violence as a result of this incident in Canada
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How are we punishing muslim citizens? If you think posting a flag which has nothing to do with Islam (Danish govnt has nothing to do with the free Danish press) is a wrong, then I would say you are discriminating against Danish people.if we punish our Muslim citizens here, then what kind of message does that send to Muslim people abroad? That their opinion is not welcome.
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