Canada slaps 276% Tariff on Foreign Drywall


tay
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Fort McMurray rebuild threatened after feds impose drywall tariff | Globalnews.ca (external - login to view)
 
Danbones
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Jeez, WTF?
Drywall sucks anyway

I'd be sayin screw you tards
I'm going with (local) pine or cedar

A portable mill or even an alaskan, might be a valuable item up that way
 
Machjo
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If foreign taxpayers are stupid enough to subsidize the products we buy, you'd think the Canadian government would be smart enough to take advantage of that stupidity by not raising tariffs.

But oh no. Some Canadian company in Mississauga won't like that, so let's screw all Canadian consumers over for the sake of that company.

Idiots!
Last edited by Machjo; Sep 15th, 2016 at 08:05 AM..
 
TenPenny
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Why should we let US companies dump drywall into our country, when they're fighting about our softwood lumber?
 
Danbones
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once they under cut or other ways eliminate the competition till its gone
then they jack up the prices
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Why should we let US companies dump drywall into our country, when they're fighting about our softwood lumber?

It's a basic rule of economics. The more import, the more our dollar drops, the more are exports become cheaper.

Japan learnt the hard way in the 90's that you can't export and never import. The more you do so, the greater the upward pressure on your current. Japan tried all kinds of ways to push its current down for decades until it finally lost control. The yen suddenly started to rise in value, Japanese exports became too expensive, imports dirt cheap, tourism to Japan died, the Japanese started traveling and studying abroad, Japan is still recovering from this.

China is repeating the same mistake.

If Canada allows drywall in, we'll just create something else. It all balances itself out in the end.
 
Danbones
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we have to manufacture
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

once they under cut or other ways eliminate the competition till its gone
then they jack up the prices

Then it would slowly come back, no?

And remember, to subsidize drywall, the US goverents must tax everyone else or borrow. If it taxes everyone else, then that benefits every other Canadian industry.

If it borrows, then it benefits Canada's banking industry. We buy them out.

Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

we have to manufacture

But why drywall specifically?
 
Walter
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Tariffs are taxes. The Libs just put a 276% tax on drywall.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Tariffs are taxes. The Libs just put a 276% tax on drywall.

Foreign drywall specifically, but yeah.

Taxes aren't always a bad thing, but tariffs always are.

Oh, and Walter. Please don't give me greenies: it throws me off balance whenever you do that.
Last edited by Machjo; Sep 15th, 2016 at 08:44 AM..
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

It's a basic rule of economics. The more import, the more our dollar drops, the more are exports become cheaper.

Japan learnt the hard way in the 90's that you can't export and never import. The more you do so, the greater the upward pressure on your current. Japan tried all kinds of ways to push its current down for decades until it finally lost control. The yen suddenly started to rise in value, Japanese exports became too expensive, imports dirt cheap, tourism to Japan died, the Japanese started traveling and studying abroad, Japan is still recovering from this.

China is repeating the same mistake.

If Canada allows drywall in, we'll just create something else. It all balances itself out in the end.





So, all the anti-dumping legislation world side should just be eliminated, is that your point?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Still unclear how the Fort MacMurry rebuild is affected by this tax/tarrif. The local drywall is still available at the same price it always was.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

If foreign taxpayers are stupid enough to subsidize the products we buy, you'd think the Canadian government would be smart enough to take advantage of that stupidity by not raising tariffs.

But oh no. Some Canadian company in Mississauga won't like that, so let's screw all Canadian consumers over for the sake of that company.

Idiots!

No carbon taxes on imports
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

So, all the anti-dumping legislation world side should just be eliminated, is that your point?

Yes.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

No carbon taxes on imports

A tax that applies to imports and domestic products alike isn't a tariff.

It's a tariff when it applies only to imports.
 
taxslave
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Notice that this federal tax only applies in Western Canada. trudOWE jr. just gave westerners the finger.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Still unclear how the Fort MacMurry rebuild is affected by this tax/tarrif. The local drywall is still available at the same price it always was.

The article says it's gone up in price 50% IR more in the last week.
 
petros
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Yes. Yes of course. Georgia Pacific bought Domtar then closed plants in BC and ON because of carbon taxes and energy costs.

Same thing is happening with cement. Canadians are losing jobs and production because of carbon taxes and energy costs.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Notice that this federal tax only applies in Western Canada. trudOWE jr. just gave westerners the finger.

That's not how I read the article. It seems the tariff applies Canada-wide but is hitting Fort Mac hardest due to massive reconstruction there.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

That's not how I read the article. It seems the tariff applies Canada-wide but is hitting Fort Mac hardest due to massive reconstruction there.

The Canada Border Services Agency imposed the preliminary tariff last Tuesday on U.S. gypsum board imported into Canada for use in British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and the Yukon and Northwest Territories.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Notice that this federal tax only applies in Western Canada. trudOWE jr. just gave westerners the finger.



How do you figure that it only applies in Western Canada?


Edited to note, I see that it does, in fact, only apply to imports into Western Canada
Last edited by TenPenny; Sep 15th, 2016 at 08:59 AM..
 
taxslave
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That is western Canada.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

How do you figure that it only applies in Western Canada?

See #19. Taken from the link in the OP.
 
petros
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From 2013....


CALEDONIA Another American company is closing a Canadian plant to preserve jobs in the United States.

Georgia-Pacific Inc. told the 60 employees of its Caledonia drywall plant Friday morning that the facility is being "idled" because the market for building materials is down and the company can meet all its needs from American factories...


Georgia-Pacific has previously "idled" operations in Nova Scotia, British Columbia and Alberta. A plant in Thorold continues to operate.
 
TenPenny
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Note that the whole point is to protect the drywall manufacturers in Western Canada:


"The complainant alleges that the dumping has caused injury and is threatening to cause injury to the Western Canadian industry producing the like goods."


So, you allege that Trudeau is giving the finger to Western Canada by protecting the jobs in Western Canada as requested by the manufacturers in Western Canada?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Yes. Yes of course. Georgia Pacific bought Domtar then closed plants in BC and ON because of carbon taxes and energy costs.

Same thing is happening with cement. Canadians are losing jobs and production because of carbon taxes and energy costs.

So this is by design then. It is not the 276% tax that is screwing Fort MacMurray. It's the carbon taxes.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

The Canada Border Services Agency imposed the preliminary tariff last Tuesday on U.S. gypsum board imported into Canada for use in British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and the Yukon and Northwest Territories.

Oh wow. I missed that. Shocking really. I'd like to know how the hell out hat was decided.
 
taxslave
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It would be interesting to know if the 276% tax equals the difference in manufacturing costs. ANd if so why?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Note that the whole point is to protect the drywall manufacturers in Western Canada:


"The complainant alleges that the dumping has caused injury and is threatening to cause injury to the Western Canadian industry producing the like goods."


So, you allege that Trudeau is giving the finger to Western Canada by protecting the jobs in Western Canada as requested by the manufacturers in Western Canada?

Because of carbon taxes.

The same is happening with cement.

Canada’s cement industry is crumbling (external - login to view)
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Note that the whole point is to protect the drywall manufacturers in Western Canada:


"The complainant alleges that the dumping has caused injury and is threatening to cause injury to the Western Canadian industry producing the like goods."


So, you allege that Trudeau is giving the finger to Western Canada by protecting the jobs in Western Canada as requested by the manufacturers in Western Canada?

So it's Western Canadian companies giving their consumers the finger.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Note that the whole point is to protect the drywall manufacturers in Western Canada:


"The complainant alleges that the dumping has caused injury and is threatening to cause injury to the Western Canadian industry producing the like goods."


So, you allege that Trudeau is giving the finger to Western Canada by protecting the jobs in Western Canada as requested by the manufacturers in Western Canada?

Did you happen to notice the complaint was filed by a company in Eastern Canada, not one in Western Canada.
 
EagleSmack
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French Canadians are the Dry-Wall Kings!

When I was in the trades in Boston all of the Dry Wall contractors were French Canadian. One of the younger ones who actually spoke English told me they get up at about 2:00AM and drive down from "Northern New Hampshire", work 10 hours, and leave work early on Friday.
 
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