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July 30th, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quoting Minority Observer84
Also my thoughts, put into words much better than I ever could, thank you.
That is a bold faced lie . There is a logical explanation and it's self evident when you compare ancient religions people have two basic points in all these religions .
1)They Fear Death and wonder about what happens when they die .
2) They Do not understand the workings of the world around them because of this they believe in a deity to give them an illusion of complete understanding .
The classical cop out , you are aware that the stories in the bible are at best improbable so you assert the claim that they are beyond the understanding of a select few .I have a tested IQ of 150 and am at least as well educated as the vast majority of people my age and better read than most people twice my age if i cannot understand it I assure you it's beyond most people . I say this not to toot my own horn but just to illustrate the point that the story of some guy building a boat to escape a flood is not really all that complex .
Errr wrong again your perception of this world clearly leaves logic far behind you and is compltly based on what you believe , set that aside and all your arguments are pointless.
Errr wrong again creationism is not concurrent with evolution it' one or the other let's review genesis shall we :
"In the beginning God[2] created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."[3] God makes the first day and night; the "firmament" separating "the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;" dry land and seas and plants and trees which grew fruit with seed; the sun, moon and stars in the firmament give light upon the earth; creates air-breathing sea creatures and birds and on the sixth day, makes the beasts of the earth according to their kinds."
Create :
Evolution does not make a distinction between man and other animals it is either valid for all or none (when a better theory comes along) also as discussed above evolution of any kind contradicts genesis.
Again belief without bases , in other words blind belief .
We all use rationality and logic everyday whether we should stay up late or sleep? smoke or quit ? take a brown bag or buy lunch ? If you apply the same logic that you do to your everyday life to god (forget the cop outs of his living in a spiritual plane or being beyond your understanding)you'll find that it lacks substance , but you won't you compartmentalize your thoughts logic everywhere but not to god that is just blind faith .
Prove that the human soul exists ? One logical or scientific proof that human consensuses exists beyond death .
God says nothing about evolution or natural selection so do not attribute noble logical theories to your irrational beliefs .
1)They Fear Death and wonder about what happens when they die .
2) They Do not understand the workings of the world around them because of this they believe in a deity to give them an illusion of complete understanding .
The classical cop out , you are aware that the stories in the bible are at best improbable so you assert the claim that they are beyond the understanding of a select few .I have a tested IQ of 150 and am at least as well educated as the vast majority of people my age and better read than most people twice my age if i cannot understand it I assure you it's beyond most people . I say this not to toot my own horn but just to illustrate the point that the story of some guy building a boat to escape a flood is not really all that complex .
Errr wrong again your perception of this world clearly leaves logic far behind you and is compltly based on what you believe , set that aside and all your arguments are pointless.
Errr wrong again creationism is not concurrent with evolution it' one or the other let's review genesis shall we :
"In the beginning God[2] created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."[3] God makes the first day and night; the "firmament" separating "the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;" dry land and seas and plants and trees which grew fruit with seed; the sun, moon and stars in the firmament give light upon the earth; creates air-breathing sea creatures and birds and on the sixth day, makes the beasts of the earth according to their kinds."
Create :
- To cause to exist; bring into being. See synonyms at found1.
- To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir.
- To invest with an office or title; appoint.
- To produce through artistic or imaginative effort: create a poem; create a role.
Evolution does not make a distinction between man and other animals it is either valid for all or none (when a better theory comes along) also as discussed above evolution of any kind contradicts genesis.
Again belief without bases , in other words blind belief .
We all use rationality and logic everyday whether we should stay up late or sleep? smoke or quit ? take a brown bag or buy lunch ? If you apply the same logic that you do to your everyday life to god (forget the cop outs of his living in a spiritual plane or being beyond your understanding)you'll find that it lacks substance , but you won't you compartmentalize your thoughts logic everywhere but not to god that is just blind faith .
Prove that the human soul exists ? One logical or scientific proof that human consensuses exists beyond death .
God says nothing about evolution or natural selection so do not attribute noble logical theories to your irrational beliefs .
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July 30th, 2007, 05:39 PM
I am having a problem here and need your help.
I am thinking to myself, how and why do unbelievers fight so hard to disprove that there is no god, when if left alone, wouldn't matter anyways at the end.
My only reasoning is that they must believe that He exists, otherwise, why bother to dispute it.
As for me, I fight hard to introduce God because I believe He exists, and is a lover of all souls, believers as well as unbeliervers.
With an attitude like that, it would seem that unbelievers would be comfortable with it, because what possible threat could that be to an unbeliever; the possibility of believing maybe?
I on the other hand am not threathened the least bit by any belief system in the world, because I feel I understand mainly the purpose of God's creation.
It is all uotlined in the entire written word of the bible and can only be seen as given preve to by faith in God.
No faith in God, the bible is a useless book of words, fabales.
I may not be of a high IQ, but one thing I know, is that in my faith in God, I have found solace, contentment, peace and help in times of need, and that I can not deny.
So, how in the world could I not have faith in God after He has given me all that to experience?
I would be a fool not to, and if I am a fool for believing so, then I am at peace with that.
But as for all others, I have found peace with them as well, for I now consider them all as brothers loved by the same God I worship,therefore, trying not to offend any of them.
If an unbeliever was to speak to a believer, I would be the one to speak to, because I would not hold your unbelief against you, but rather accept you as you are into the fold of God's love.
If God does not condemn you, nor do I.
I am having a problem here and need your help.
I am thinking to myself, how and why do unbelievers fight so hard to disprove that there is no god, when if left alone, wouldn't matter anyways at the end.
My only reasoning is that they must believe that He exists, otherwise, why bother to dispute it.
As for me, I fight hard to introduce God because I believe He exists, and is a lover of all souls, believers as well as unbeliervers.
With an attitude like that, it would seem that unbelievers would be comfortable with it, because what possible threat could that be to an unbeliever; the possibility of believing maybe?
I on the other hand am not threathened the least bit by any belief system in the world, because I feel I understand mainly the purpose of God's creation.
It is all uotlined in the entire written word of the bible and can only be seen as given preve to by faith in God.
No faith in God, the bible is a useless book of words, fabales.
I may not be of a high IQ, but one thing I know, is that in my faith in God, I have found solace, contentment, peace and help in times of need, and that I can not deny.
So, how in the world could I not have faith in God after He has given me all that to experience?
I would be a fool not to, and if I am a fool for believing so, then I am at peace with that.
But as for all others, I have found peace with them as well, for I now consider them all as brothers loved by the same God I worship,therefore, trying not to offend any of them.
If an unbeliever was to speak to a believer, I would be the one to speak to, because I would not hold your unbelief against you, but rather accept you as you are into the fold of God's love.
If God does not condemn you, nor do I.
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July 30th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Because people kill others in the name of who's fictional god is greatest .
Because theists continue to use money to convert simple populations around the world from animistic beliefs to their own form of irrational belief .
Because religion has killed more people than any other idea including nazisim and communism combined , it's time for that to stop.
Because religion is intrinsically racist and divisive .
Because faith in the absolute religious doctrine stalls human intellectual growth .
Because religion looks down on people , teaches that women are less than men and in some cases endorses slavery .
Most of all because religion tells people that their current life that they can see is not as valuable as the after life which they can't . This has lead to everything from martyrdom to neglect for the environment . Millions of people are wasting the only lives they will have worshiping a myth and that makes me sad.
Quoting look3467
Because people use religion to base public morality on and tell me right from wrong .
I am having a problem here and need your help.
I am thinking to myself, how and why do unbelievers fight so hard to disprove that there is no god, when if left alone, wouldn't matter anyways at the end.
I am thinking to myself, how and why do unbelievers fight so hard to disprove that there is no god, when if left alone, wouldn't matter anyways at the end.
Because people kill others in the name of who's fictional god is greatest .
Because theists continue to use money to convert simple populations around the world from animistic beliefs to their own form of irrational belief .
Because religion has killed more people than any other idea including nazisim and communism combined , it's time for that to stop.
Because religion is intrinsically racist and divisive .
Because faith in the absolute religious doctrine stalls human intellectual growth .
Because religion looks down on people , teaches that women are less than men and in some cases endorses slavery .
Most of all because religion tells people that their current life that they can see is not as valuable as the after life which they can't . This has lead to everything from martyrdom to neglect for the environment . Millions of people are wasting the only lives they will have worshiping a myth and that makes me sad.
Quoting look3467
Irrationality based on more irrationality ...........
My only reasoning is that they must believe that He exists, otherwise, why bother to dispute it.
Quoting look3467
You belief is irrational and your fictional friend can feel as he wants about all "souls" i can only judge by the actions of his followers .I'am not comfortable with anyone who blindly believes in a lie and worse yet refuses to logically discuss his beliefs .
As for me, I fight hard to introduce God because I believe He exists, and is a lover of all souls, believers as well as unbeliervers.
With an attitude like that, it would seem that unbelievers would be comfortable with it, because what possible threat could that be to an unbeliever; the possibility of believing maybe?
With an attitude like that, it would seem that unbelievers would be comfortable with it, because what possible threat could that be to an unbeliever; the possibility of believing maybe?
Quoting look3467
Your firmly entrenched in your delusion . Congrats your one of the sheep .
I on the other hand am not threathened the least bit by any belief system in the world, because I feel I understand mainly the purpose of God's creation.
Quoting look3467
The only rational thing you've ever said to me .
the bible is a useless book of words, fabales.
Quoting look3467
Just because it makes you feel all warm and mushy inside doesn't make it true , or applicable to anyone else .
I may not be of a high IQ, but one thing I know, is that in my faith in God, I have found solace, contentment, peace and help in times of need, and that I can not deny.
Quoting look3467
AH Classic theist patronizing , God does not condem me or anyone else because fictional entities cannot offer condemnation .
If God does not condemn you, nor do I.
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July 30th, 2007, 11:23 PM
You know, it’s ok to quote me, but please use the whole intended phrase so that folks reading it may make a judgment on the merits of the intended point.
Here is the quote as written: “No faith in God, the bible is a useless book of words, fabales.”
The intended point was “no faith in God” makes the bible a book of words and fables.
I will not edit a sentence to change someone’s point to that of mine.
Apart from that, you make good arguments.
I can only state the state of faith I have in God with tenacity of belief, and hope to share it at will.
But to require anyone else to do the same is not in my book.
I have just as much right to speak on the opposite side as does the other side, the difference being that my side will accommodate the other side’s beliefs in friendship, patience, tolerance and love.
That my God, as I know about Him loves all who do not believe and or love Him.
If there is no belief in God, then these words are just empty words.
P.S. Please don’t misquote that last sentence, Thanks.
Even though I present God as the creator is not to say that you have to believe it.
I am standing on the side of God in this discussion.
I enjoy all conversations with you and all others.
My IQ is nothing to brag about, but one thing fer sure, I wouldn’t put you down for what you believe.
Peace>>>AJ
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…the bible is a useless book of words, fables>>>look3467
The only rational thing you've ever said to me. >>>Minority Observer84
The only rational thing you've ever said to me. >>>Minority Observer84
You know, it’s ok to quote me, but please use the whole intended phrase so that folks reading it may make a judgment on the merits of the intended point.
Here is the quote as written: “No faith in God, the bible is a useless book of words, fabales.”
The intended point was “no faith in God” makes the bible a book of words and fables.
I will not edit a sentence to change someone’s point to that of mine.
Apart from that, you make good arguments.
I can only state the state of faith I have in God with tenacity of belief, and hope to share it at will.
But to require anyone else to do the same is not in my book.
I have just as much right to speak on the opposite side as does the other side, the difference being that my side will accommodate the other side’s beliefs in friendship, patience, tolerance and love.
That my God, as I know about Him loves all who do not believe and or love Him.
If there is no belief in God, then these words are just empty words.
P.S. Please don’t misquote that last sentence, Thanks.
Even though I present God as the creator is not to say that you have to believe it.
I am standing on the side of God in this discussion.
I enjoy all conversations with you and all others.
My IQ is nothing to brag about, but one thing fer sure, I wouldn’t put you down for what you believe.
Peace>>>AJ
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July 30th, 2007, 11:41 PM
[quote=look3467;857984]I am having a problem here and need your help.
I am thinking to myself, how and why do unbelievers fight so hard to disprove that there is no god, when if left alone, wouldn't matter anyways at the end.
My only reasoning is that they must believe that He exists, otherwise, why bother to dispute it.
Well, I suppose if the believers didn't announce 'all over the world' how much they do believe, and
push it into our politics and schools, then there would be no need for those who don't believe in a
god to say anything. Do you think atheists should shut up while the believers tell us about god
every day of our lives. The opposite opinion should be allowed, just like it is in any other subject.
Your last statement is ludicrous, and your english seems a little 'funny' as well. If we were fighting
hard to disprove that there is no god, then we would be trying to prove there 'is' a god, right?
[quote=look3467;857984]I am having a problem here and need your help.
I am thinking to myself, how and why do unbelievers fight so hard to disprove that there is no god, when if left alone, wouldn't matter anyways at the end.
My only reasoning is that they must believe that He exists, otherwise, why bother to dispute it.
Well, I suppose if the believers didn't announce 'all over the world' how much they do believe, and
push it into our politics and schools, then there would be no need for those who don't believe in a
god to say anything. Do you think atheists should shut up while the believers tell us about god
every day of our lives. The opposite opinion should be allowed, just like it is in any other subject.
Your last statement is ludicrous, and your english seems a little 'funny' as well. If we were fighting
hard to disprove that there is no god, then we would be trying to prove there 'is' a god, right?
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July 31st, 2007, 12:06 AM
Don’t you know that all that you said works to bring out the good in people? If everything were peachy, what earthly good would we make?
Does not a beautiful red rose come out of a thorny stem?
If there were no belief in something other than this life, the pyramids would have never being built; the hedge stones would never have been erected. There would be no statues of Buddha, crop circles, alien abductions, and even a little man in a red suit with a forked spear.
Nah, my friend, I am not missing out on anything for my life is built on nothing less than Jesus Christ.
Peace>>>AJ
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Because people use religion to base public morality on and tell me right from wrong .
Because people kill others in the name of who's fictional god is greatest .
Because theists continue to use money to convert simple populations around the world from animistic beliefs to their own form of irrational belief .
125communism combined , it's time for that to stop.
Because religion is intrinsically racist and divisive .
Because faith in the absolute religious doctrine stalls human intellectual growth .
Because religion looks down on people , teaches that women are less than men and in some cases endorses slavery .
Most of all because religion tells people that their current life that they can see is not as valuable as the after life which they can't . This has lead to everything from martyrdom to neglect for the environment . Millions of people are wasting the only lives they will have worshiping a myth and that makes me sad.>>> Minority Observer84
Because people kill others in the name of who's fictional god is greatest .
Because theists continue to use money to convert simple populations around the world from animistic beliefs to their own form of irrational belief .
125communism combined , it's time for that to stop.
Because religion is intrinsically racist and divisive .
Because faith in the absolute religious doctrine stalls human intellectual growth .
Because religion looks down on people , teaches that women are less than men and in some cases endorses slavery .
Most of all because religion tells people that their current life that they can see is not as valuable as the after life which they can't . This has lead to everything from martyrdom to neglect for the environment . Millions of people are wasting the only lives they will have worshiping a myth and that makes me sad.>>> Minority Observer84
Don’t you know that all that you said works to bring out the good in people? If everything were peachy, what earthly good would we make?
Does not a beautiful red rose come out of a thorny stem?
If there were no belief in something other than this life, the pyramids would have never being built; the hedge stones would never have been erected. There would be no statues of Buddha, crop circles, alien abductions, and even a little man in a red suit with a forked spear.
Nah, my friend, I am not missing out on anything for my life is built on nothing less than Jesus Christ.
Peace>>>AJ
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July 31st, 2007, 01:29 AM
some more than others…
Honestly…I can easily answer all of your many questions of concern…How and Why?...Because its a part of my bought and paid for expertise…What does that mean…?
Have you ever heard of “been there and done that”?
For example I became a Christian when I was a child of “5 or was it 6?” in a church where Christian affiliations first began…(The Brightmoore Tabernacle, in the Detroit area of Michigan) in the early 50s…I was in attendance there when Billy Graham preach his first sermon…and much to the excreta’s of that church within its time and place…
During my early childhood “literally” the world was mine for whatever reasons I wanted. Although I had earned that right I didn’t want to rule the world…but I did become genuinely concerned for those that were in it…Concerning this I had to make a choice. So I laid down my prodigy to “let” because the situation merited it…
I had many visitations in that time from other times and places…I learned who I was and where I came from…I learned how the universe and round worlds were first created “and why”…
I have worked for mankind, the world and etc. many times in the past…in many forms from this these times…First as a milk chocolate skinned black man called Mike…I was king and leader of all that were in concern for mankind during that time of service…we first met in a dimensional parallel of neutral space much beyond our earth bound homeland. During that time I as leader of the pack I had the final word in things that could be appropriated for mankind in real world portions of the 1970s.
We discovered others living on the outside…The ones that didn’t join us or believe in our purpose we invaded their domains…and their substance was taken and used to support our purpose…Some were very strong and impossible to battle…So we had to join with them to find their weaknesses…that is to say "before they could find our home land"…because they did not like mankind…!
However we came to a place where we could do no more…so we disbanded and went our separate ways…Later some of us worked for other places in different constructs…leaving and reentering our places of mankind until it was no longer expedient.
There are numerous other examples of the above as my time and times have continued…I went searching for god for almost two years because I had issues I couldn’t resolve…One afternoon as I returned to a neutral gathering place just outside the normal time lines, I came upon some men I had seen there before…I ask them if they knew where I could find god? They replied in turn that he was just out side of a building warehouse area about 50 yards away…as I walk in that direction I saw an average looking man dressed in grey work clothes…as I approached and began to speak he raised his hand and said “I know why you’re here”!...Then he said “take my place”…I did and suddenly I was him as he stood before me…I worked for about 6 months moving furniture about in the warehouse where he had been…then I understood that it was time to go…I returned to my time humbly in a much better state of mind…
The following is long but true story experience…I most always have lived the things that I write. PLEASE ENJOY!
While wandering solo in a temperate portion of the deep I was apprehended as I entered a large castle like structure…I was cast into a wooden but very secure jail cell…I was brought to a judgment bar by two large angels and charged by that time as being a wandering spirit…I was cast into a place of hell fire and brimstone below the fire line “forever and ever” they said…
One of the angels spoke up in my defense saying: “It has been considered that possibly he is not a wandering spirit but is from another time and place…but we do not know what time and place "he said"...Because of this they lightened my sentence a little by placing me above the fire line for my judgment instead of below it…
Even so I soon found myself in a place where hell fire and brimstone began to fall from above…No matter how much pain was endured, there was no death…My only salvation was to pass out from time to time until the next attack came from above…
Others were there for lesser reasons than mine…I told them that I had enough…saying why don't you resist?...then I stood up and pointed to the sky and screamed “You bastards” and many other cute greetings of distaste concerning the predicament…They heard me and the fire and brimstone came in torrents covering me from head to toe as the others watched…
Afterwards they commended my spirit to the form of a “pit worm” and I was thrown into the pit of the canker worms...where fire and brimstone mingled with sulfur came down on my new hairless super sensitive, 4 foot wide, ten foot tall, smooth worm like body…That had a little turf of scant wiry hair on the head, rotten teeth with a shadow for a nose…It was like a ten foot finger with the base moored to the firmament…with a mouth, two eyes and all my memories of being a man set to go against me…
When the brimstone would hit the top of the head “it would stick fast” because of the sulfur…the intensity of it would burn into the rotting teeth with great longevities of unbearable pain, however there was no escape unless you embraced it until you passed out…
I could not speak because it was not allowed…it sometimes took weeks to recover from the uttering of just one word…
Later after learning the how to dodge the hell fire and brimstone things began to slow down…then I met others who had learned ways to escape the fire…such as spinning and twining in groups of three until a dream state could be achieved with one keeping the secret of the pit to protect the reality of the dream…making it was possible to return together in life as men and women…
Later as we would began to forget the pit, thinking that it wouldn’t happen again “someone would always tell the secret, thinking that the demise had passed, believing that it wouldn't matter anymore…soon afterward we would start to sleep and unfortunately wake up in the pit again as our forever base of reality...
I met a number of people in the pit from these now times…both men and women…we could converse mentally but not verbally because it hurt to much to speak…One of my acquaintances in the pit said to me after a time: “You can always go to work for god as a sky king…He said “they” (those that were not in the pit) call it a Thunder Wheel…He told me how to apply for the position…and I did so…!
I completed two eternal tours of duty “back to back” as a creation Thunder wheel, guarding the skies of creations in the more cherished times and places of mankind…I could not make another tour because after each tour I had to return to the devastation of the pit to began again…after two times as the god in essence Thunder Wheel, there is no strength of incentive to return…
To make a long story short eventually I escaped the form of the pit worm and the pit itself…living a few eternities in the serenity of the deep as a man and self created angel…I also created a cadre of neuter gender angels, and we created a fortress in the deep (a very, very long story)…
I later became famous throughout creation as Angel King of the Deep…My angels and I fought a dozen or more major battles for the independence of other times and places “easily winning them all…We also defeated the dreaded ghouls from the abyss…laying waste to their armies and scattering them to the wind…
Our domain location was known to only one person, “a gypsy woman that first asked for our help to save her creation continuance”…We rested safe and secure after our victorious battles, defending some of the civilized portions of creation that were being pirated…
Peace and fellowship was then at hand for me and my angels...we even created a false sun to light our sanctuary so we could enjoy the event of night and day…
Then all came to a bloody ending…The pit worm awakened that I escaped from and left standing motionless in a forgotten portion of the deep…We knew he would come to attack us at some point…We even built a tower with a large bell that was set to toll if the big worm approached the fortress…so we could identify and destroy him before he attacked us…
He had great mental strength, not physical strength as we had first thought…Believing that a physical battle with him would be quick and decisive…However when he arrived at the gates of the fortress “suddenly” and with little effort he crumbled the fortress like a house made of sticks. He then destroyed my entire cadre of the best and most powerful warrior angels in creation…and within a less than a minute…
Since I was in knowledge of the mechanics of the worm…(which is how I first escaped him)…and because of my before imprint as one of his supporting spirits…he was intent on repossessing me again " to satisfy the empty space of my old longevity with him…much like water reaching out to seek it's own level…Therefore I had to conquer him before he captured me again...
…Please bear with me as I am omitting much information from the story because of the length of this document…
I knew there was a brief moment when a red flash would occur as he attempted to repossess me…I was also familiar with the controls of the worm “they are actually much like an automobile”…Anyway as I was in a forced merged "I knew there would be a momentary red flash" causing him let go momentarily...this enabled me to temporarily gain control of the worm…
I quickly doubled the worm in a “U” shape, locking the jaws upon its own mid-section as I began ripping it in half...As I ripped we both had to share the pain because of the merging…I passed out momentarily from the pain, however the jaws were still locked as I awakened…and I finished ripping it in half…At that moment I was thrown clear of the beast into the moist soft earth of the dark but temperate area of the deep...
There worm didn't die even when its blood came forth in reds, greens and yellows gushing forth in all directions...then the severed portion of the beast begin to vehemently catch on fire…It’s dislocated body whipping, snapping and twisting in violent contortions of obvious pain with no death to end its demise...
The area suddenly adorned an off and on blue twilight appearance...as huge orbs in various blues and purples began to appear in the air and on the ground “exploding loudly” and earth quakes also began in erratic successions…I had to get out of there before I became part of the ongoing and forever demise of the worm…
The orbs were mostly the size of a house or a large truck…soon after they would land “they would explode violently…Knowing this I searched for one, climbed under it and waited for it to explode…“so I might die quickly and be done with it”...taking my chances on whatever might come...I have always know death to be an exchange…and I also know that in most neutral spaces “death” has a habit of returning one to the before place of origin… Anyway it was better than hanging around for the remainder of the fire works...I’d been away from my old earth life a few eternities...but I had always kept and cherished the memory…
Anyway…the orb exploded that I had climbed under…but I never heard it…I do remember flying through darkness…I experienced myself as a frightened baby screaming violently in fear…flying through the darkness...then suddenly I awakened back on earth…walking to my home…and within a few hours of my departed…however I was sitting in a chair when I departed…It took two or more years to remember things that I had forgotten…
The pit worms…which in normal parameters are the first beginnings of the spirit…called Heimies...they have many different names and purposes…being the fundamental foundations of life and substance in accord to that which we are…For we are in truth “the spirit” that affords them purpose as our beginning and ending…in the many foundations of that which is and has been…and that which defines the small and the large…as the delve ordained to the moment…
Some are like us in intelligence and some that are called fine-in-Heimies are much more than intelligent and usually set the pace as god if they choose...to the knowledgeable extent of all diversity…being superior to all life and intelligence…Surly there are many defined applications of forever and always…beginning with the Heimies…
I am recognized by them because I have taken part with them…and they have said so…ha! ha! they call me “top burner” because of my beginning hell fire existence with them…They have awarded me the name of "top Burner" as a merit "not as a joke"...and because few have ever returned after receiving a damnation of forever and ever in hell fire and brimstone…
I also have lived and learned among them in the transits of other places and spaces…Otherwise at this point in time I would more than likely live in fear as a permanent state of mind…
The same as related in “Mark 9/verse 36” and other places places in the new testiment…It reads in much the same or in similar ways as: “Where their worm never dies and the fire is never quenched”…concerning the biblical testimony of it's existence...!may none parish!
Please be mindful that there are those that can send you such places as I have related in the above…as they have done to me…They were simply men in authority working for a creation continuance…with those in affiliated access to such places...
Concerning those that sent me there...I been informed that they and their creation leaders were also awarded an eternal judgment concerning the many souls they have unjustly condemned to parish in the same hellfire and brimstone that I endured…This information was forthcoming to me within a space of time much after I had returned…
There is a lot to know about the true reasons for such things…in concerns of the many things that go against…to include Satan, the devil and etc...Without these things "in example" it might be like a car without a motor…and why there are sheep and Shepard’s?…or perhaps if one entered an atomic energy plant...would you know and understand it's accoutrements?…or would you know anything about the workings of a space/time ship or a federation service vessel…or what we might refer to as a flying saucer and etc.?...or have you ever heard of or met anyone from The US Federal Federation of Allied Worlds?
Concerning why some things are as they are…For example…in this time: “Concerning our American History” as an example past security that most cannot agree upon…relating that much of course was hidden from the general public during past times of our country...and only that which afforded expedience was allowed as public information…The government was not to blame…they are to be commended…Possibly “some can understand this”…as in “every rose has a thorn”...and there is “a time and place for all things”...
Did you know that most are on permanent vacation…? No matter if they work 9 to 5 or lay on the beach all day…
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some more than others…
Honestly…I can easily answer all of your many questions of concern…How and Why?...Because its a part of my bought and paid for expertise…What does that mean…?
Have you ever heard of “been there and done that”?
For example I became a Christian when I was a child of “5 or was it 6?” in a church where Christian affiliations first began…(The Brightmoore Tabernacle, in the Detroit area of Michigan) in the early 50s…I was in attendance there when Billy Graham preach his first sermon…and much to the excreta’s of that church within its time and place…
During my early childhood “literally” the world was mine for whatever reasons I wanted. Although I had earned that right I didn’t want to rule the world…but I did become genuinely concerned for those that were in it…Concerning this I had to make a choice. So I laid down my prodigy to “let” because the situation merited it…
I had many visitations in that time from other times and places…I learned who I was and where I came from…I learned how the universe and round worlds were first created “and why”…
I have worked for mankind, the world and etc. many times in the past…in many forms from this these times…First as a milk chocolate skinned black man called Mike…I was king and leader of all that were in concern for mankind during that time of service…we first met in a dimensional parallel of neutral space much beyond our earth bound homeland. During that time I as leader of the pack I had the final word in things that could be appropriated for mankind in real world portions of the 1970s.
We discovered others living on the outside…The ones that didn’t join us or believe in our purpose we invaded their domains…and their substance was taken and used to support our purpose…Some were very strong and impossible to battle…So we had to join with them to find their weaknesses…that is to say "before they could find our home land"…because they did not like mankind…!
However we came to a place where we could do no more…so we disbanded and went our separate ways…Later some of us worked for other places in different constructs…leaving and reentering our places of mankind until it was no longer expedient.
There are numerous other examples of the above as my time and times have continued…I went searching for god for almost two years because I had issues I couldn’t resolve…One afternoon as I returned to a neutral gathering place just outside the normal time lines, I came upon some men I had seen there before…I ask them if they knew where I could find god? They replied in turn that he was just out side of a building warehouse area about 50 yards away…as I walk in that direction I saw an average looking man dressed in grey work clothes…as I approached and began to speak he raised his hand and said “I know why you’re here”!...Then he said “take my place”…I did and suddenly I was him as he stood before me…I worked for about 6 months moving furniture about in the warehouse where he had been…then I understood that it was time to go…I returned to my time humbly in a much better state of mind…
The following is long but true story experience…I most always have lived the things that I write. PLEASE ENJOY!
While wandering solo in a temperate portion of the deep I was apprehended as I entered a large castle like structure…I was cast into a wooden but very secure jail cell…I was brought to a judgment bar by two large angels and charged by that time as being a wandering spirit…I was cast into a place of hell fire and brimstone below the fire line “forever and ever” they said…
One of the angels spoke up in my defense saying: “It has been considered that possibly he is not a wandering spirit but is from another time and place…but we do not know what time and place "he said"...Because of this they lightened my sentence a little by placing me above the fire line for my judgment instead of below it…
Even so I soon found myself in a place where hell fire and brimstone began to fall from above…No matter how much pain was endured, there was no death…My only salvation was to pass out from time to time until the next attack came from above…
Others were there for lesser reasons than mine…I told them that I had enough…saying why don't you resist?...then I stood up and pointed to the sky and screamed “You bastards” and many other cute greetings of distaste concerning the predicament…They heard me and the fire and brimstone came in torrents covering me from head to toe as the others watched…
Afterwards they commended my spirit to the form of a “pit worm” and I was thrown into the pit of the canker worms...where fire and brimstone mingled with sulfur came down on my new hairless super sensitive, 4 foot wide, ten foot tall, smooth worm like body…That had a little turf of scant wiry hair on the head, rotten teeth with a shadow for a nose…It was like a ten foot finger with the base moored to the firmament…with a mouth, two eyes and all my memories of being a man set to go against me…
When the brimstone would hit the top of the head “it would stick fast” because of the sulfur…the intensity of it would burn into the rotting teeth with great longevities of unbearable pain, however there was no escape unless you embraced it until you passed out…
I could not speak because it was not allowed…it sometimes took weeks to recover from the uttering of just one word…
Later after learning the how to dodge the hell fire and brimstone things began to slow down…then I met others who had learned ways to escape the fire…such as spinning and twining in groups of three until a dream state could be achieved with one keeping the secret of the pit to protect the reality of the dream…making it was possible to return together in life as men and women…
Later as we would began to forget the pit, thinking that it wouldn’t happen again “someone would always tell the secret, thinking that the demise had passed, believing that it wouldn't matter anymore…soon afterward we would start to sleep and unfortunately wake up in the pit again as our forever base of reality...
I met a number of people in the pit from these now times…both men and women…we could converse mentally but not verbally because it hurt to much to speak…One of my acquaintances in the pit said to me after a time: “You can always go to work for god as a sky king…He said “they” (those that were not in the pit) call it a Thunder Wheel…He told me how to apply for the position…and I did so…!
I completed two eternal tours of duty “back to back” as a creation Thunder wheel, guarding the skies of creations in the more cherished times and places of mankind…I could not make another tour because after each tour I had to return to the devastation of the pit to began again…after two times as the god in essence Thunder Wheel, there is no strength of incentive to return…
To make a long story short eventually I escaped the form of the pit worm and the pit itself…living a few eternities in the serenity of the deep as a man and self created angel…I also created a cadre of neuter gender angels, and we created a fortress in the deep (a very, very long story)…
I later became famous throughout creation as Angel King of the Deep…My angels and I fought a dozen or more major battles for the independence of other times and places “easily winning them all…We also defeated the dreaded ghouls from the abyss…laying waste to their armies and scattering them to the wind…
Our domain location was known to only one person, “a gypsy woman that first asked for our help to save her creation continuance”…We rested safe and secure after our victorious battles, defending some of the civilized portions of creation that were being pirated…
Peace and fellowship was then at hand for me and my angels...we even created a false sun to light our sanctuary so we could enjoy the event of night and day…
Then all came to a bloody ending…The pit worm awakened that I escaped from and left standing motionless in a forgotten portion of the deep…We knew he would come to attack us at some point…We even built a tower with a large bell that was set to toll if the big worm approached the fortress…so we could identify and destroy him before he attacked us…
He had great mental strength, not physical strength as we had first thought…Believing that a physical battle with him would be quick and decisive…However when he arrived at the gates of the fortress “suddenly” and with little effort he crumbled the fortress like a house made of sticks. He then destroyed my entire cadre of the best and most powerful warrior angels in creation…and within a less than a minute…
Since I was in knowledge of the mechanics of the worm…(which is how I first escaped him)…and because of my before imprint as one of his supporting spirits…he was intent on repossessing me again " to satisfy the empty space of my old longevity with him…much like water reaching out to seek it's own level…Therefore I had to conquer him before he captured me again...
…Please bear with me as I am omitting much information from the story because of the length of this document…
I knew there was a brief moment when a red flash would occur as he attempted to repossess me…I was also familiar with the controls of the worm “they are actually much like an automobile”…Anyway as I was in a forced merged "I knew there would be a momentary red flash" causing him let go momentarily...this enabled me to temporarily gain control of the worm…
I quickly doubled the worm in a “U” shape, locking the jaws upon its own mid-section as I began ripping it in half...As I ripped we both had to share the pain because of the merging…I passed out momentarily from the pain, however the jaws were still locked as I awakened…and I finished ripping it in half…At that moment I was thrown clear of the beast into the moist soft earth of the dark but temperate area of the deep...
There worm didn't die even when its blood came forth in reds, greens and yellows gushing forth in all directions...then the severed portion of the beast begin to vehemently catch on fire…It’s dislocated body whipping, snapping and twisting in violent contortions of obvious pain with no death to end its demise...
The area suddenly adorned an off and on blue twilight appearance...as huge orbs in various blues and purples began to appear in the air and on the ground “exploding loudly” and earth quakes also began in erratic successions…I had to get out of there before I became part of the ongoing and forever demise of the worm…
The orbs were mostly the size of a house or a large truck…soon after they would land “they would explode violently…Knowing this I searched for one, climbed under it and waited for it to explode…“so I might die quickly and be done with it”...taking my chances on whatever might come...I have always know death to be an exchange…and I also know that in most neutral spaces “death” has a habit of returning one to the before place of origin… Anyway it was better than hanging around for the remainder of the fire works...I’d been away from my old earth life a few eternities...but I had always kept and cherished the memory…
Anyway…the orb exploded that I had climbed under…but I never heard it…I do remember flying through darkness…I experienced myself as a frightened baby screaming violently in fear…flying through the darkness...then suddenly I awakened back on earth…walking to my home…and within a few hours of my departed…however I was sitting in a chair when I departed…It took two or more years to remember things that I had forgotten…
The pit worms…which in normal parameters are the first beginnings of the spirit…called Heimies...they have many different names and purposes…being the fundamental foundations of life and substance in accord to that which we are…For we are in truth “the spirit” that affords them purpose as our beginning and ending…in the many foundations of that which is and has been…and that which defines the small and the large…as the delve ordained to the moment…
Some are like us in intelligence and some that are called fine-in-Heimies are much more than intelligent and usually set the pace as god if they choose...to the knowledgeable extent of all diversity…being superior to all life and intelligence…Surly there are many defined applications of forever and always…beginning with the Heimies…
I am recognized by them because I have taken part with them…and they have said so…ha! ha! they call me “top burner” because of my beginning hell fire existence with them…They have awarded me the name of "top Burner" as a merit "not as a joke"...and because few have ever returned after receiving a damnation of forever and ever in hell fire and brimstone…
I also have lived and learned among them in the transits of other places and spaces…Otherwise at this point in time I would more than likely live in fear as a permanent state of mind…
The same as related in “Mark 9/verse 36” and other places places in the new testiment…It reads in much the same or in similar ways as: “Where their worm never dies and the fire is never quenched”…concerning the biblical testimony of it's existence...!may none parish!
Please be mindful that there are those that can send you such places as I have related in the above…as they have done to me…They were simply men in authority working for a creation continuance…with those in affiliated access to such places...
Concerning those that sent me there...I been informed that they and their creation leaders were also awarded an eternal judgment concerning the many souls they have unjustly condemned to parish in the same hellfire and brimstone that I endured…This information was forthcoming to me within a space of time much after I had returned…
There is a lot to know about the true reasons for such things…in concerns of the many things that go against…to include Satan, the devil and etc...Without these things "in example" it might be like a car without a motor…and why there are sheep and Shepard’s?…or perhaps if one entered an atomic energy plant...would you know and understand it's accoutrements?…or would you know anything about the workings of a space/time ship or a federation service vessel…or what we might refer to as a flying saucer and etc.?...or have you ever heard of or met anyone from The US Federal Federation of Allied Worlds?
Concerning why some things are as they are…For example…in this time: “Concerning our American History” as an example past security that most cannot agree upon…relating that much of course was hidden from the general public during past times of our country...and only that which afforded expedience was allowed as public information…The government was not to blame…they are to be commended…Possibly “some can understand this”…as in “every rose has a thorn”...and there is “a time and place for all things”...
Did you know that most are on permanent vacation…? No matter if they work 9 to 5 or lay on the beach all day…
Is stress, pain and an aching body the only comfort you have in this day and age? Then stand up man, go to the medicine cabinet and take a couple of aspirin!
A Collectors Greatest Treasure is surly that of Real Knowledge
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July 31st, 2007, 06:03 AM
If there is to be a God then why is it so difficult to agree on what it would be?
We had a pretty good discussion on wether or not God exists and one of the points is that perhaps God isn't what we assume. So if God in fact is what we can nature and acts within those rules, why wouldn't evolution be exactly God's plan?
If there is to be a God then why is it so difficult to agree on what it would be?
We had a pretty good discussion on wether or not God exists and one of the points is that perhaps God isn't what we assume. So if God in fact is what we can nature and acts within those rules, why wouldn't evolution be exactly God's plan?
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July 31st, 2007, 09:17 AM
Very interesting read.
In order for me to accept any view, it must first fit in harmony with the bible as a whole.
The bible contains in its entirety the mysteries of the universe and humanity as governed by the creator.
Apart from that, anything imaginable could be constructed. Whether it is true or not is up to the individual to conclude.
God is and has been a mystery to all mankind until He had revealed Himself to Abraham, the writers and then at the last, by His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Choice is, believe it or not.
The consequences? Loss of fellowship with Him while in the flesh.
Just sharing my my view.
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Very interesting read.
In order for me to accept any view, it must first fit in harmony with the bible as a whole.
The bible contains in its entirety the mysteries of the universe and humanity as governed by the creator.
Apart from that, anything imaginable could be constructed. Whether it is true or not is up to the individual to conclude.
God is and has been a mystery to all mankind until He had revealed Himself to Abraham, the writers and then at the last, by His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Choice is, believe it or not.
The consequences? Loss of fellowship with Him while in the flesh.
Just sharing my my view.
Peace>>>AJ
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July 31st, 2007, 09:26 AM
The Jewish nation expects to see a carnal conquering Messiah to deliver them, but failed to see the spiritual Messiah in Jesus.
And another reason is that only where there is opposition, can there be any advancement.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Unforgiven
Main reason is because we are carnal thinkers. Our minds have to be transformed into the mind of God. Meaning, that in order to understand Godly things, we must have God open up our spiritual eyes to see, otherwise, we remain in the carnal way of thinking.
If there is to be a God then why is it so difficult to agree on what it would be?
We had a pretty good discussion on wether or not God exists and one of the points is that perhaps God isn't what we assume. So if God in fact is what we can nature and acts within those rules, why wouldn't evolution be exactly God's plan?
We had a pretty good discussion on wether or not God exists and one of the points is that perhaps God isn't what we assume. So if God in fact is what we can nature and acts within those rules, why wouldn't evolution be exactly God's plan?
The Jewish nation expects to see a carnal conquering Messiah to deliver them, but failed to see the spiritual Messiah in Jesus.
And another reason is that only where there is opposition, can there be any advancement.
Peace>>>AJ
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July 31st, 2007, 10:21 AM
Are you saying that there is no purpose without opposition?
Quoting look3467
So I guess my next question must be what is God to you?
Main reason is because we are carnal thinkers. Our minds have to be transformed into the mind of God. Meaning, that in order to understand Godly things, we must have God open up our spiritual eyes to see, otherwise, we remain in the carnal way of thinking.
The Jewish nation expects to see a carnal conquering Messiah to deliver them, but failed to see the spiritual Messiah in Jesus.
And another reason is that only where there is opposition, can there be any advancement.
Peace>>>AJ
The Jewish nation expects to see a carnal conquering Messiah to deliver them, but failed to see the spiritual Messiah in Jesus.
And another reason is that only where there is opposition, can there be any advancement.
Peace>>>AJ
Are you saying that there is no purpose without opposition?
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July 31st, 2007, 12:29 PM
I live as one loved by Him and by which I am most grateful to suffer through this worlds holds to overcome them in Him to His honor and glory.
This was the designed plan, in my opinion, for the human specie.
Mankind is given the opportunity to be like as God being able to lord over its own environment, and to exercise it towards the good as a learnt condition by education, experience and spiritual guidance.
God created this world to be experienced in the knowledge of good and evil.
In the story of Adam and Eve the point of the story is that they were created as like babes, innocent of any potential to do evil for they as babes had not as yet being exposed to knowledge of it.
When knowledge of good and evil entered into their education, they discovered that they were naked. Naked not physically, but naked in the sense that they discovered that they came short of being a spiritual being, therefore bringing about death to the spirit of fellowship with it’s creator.
Unless the creator made accommodations to revive (Renew) their spirits, they were as a lost humanity to eternal habitation.
Hence the term “Born again” as spoken by Jesus. Not a physical rebirth but a spiritual rebirth.
What became lost, dead, was made to be revived in the obedience of spiritual requirements for us by Jesus, who as God reconciled all the world from it’s beginning to the present and for ever more to be.
Therefore death spiritually is done away with, hell, being a prison or a holding place, done away with and mankind free to worship how they please without that death penalty looming over its spirit.
However, knowledge of God alone does not bring blessing from Him, but faith in action does.
If mankind chooses to abide on this earth with no regards for God, then they must live with what this earth has to offer as solace, kindness, mercy, or to simply say, at the mercy of the earth’s desires.
God therefore to me means hope of being with Him where He is, peace through my sufferings and trials on this earth, and contentment for what I have or given.
To: love my neighbor as my self and to love God with all my heart, mind and soul.
Your next question falls in harmony with His plan.
Let’s say you are an engineer and design a bridge. How will you know whether this bridge will hold the stress if it is not tested?
Stress test then is in direct opposition to the strength of the bridge.
So one could say then, that the test is good for the bridge to see of what strength it is .
Evil in itself is not evil, but the potential to do evil is in the hands of the individual barer.
We all are evil potentials, with the burden of denying it’s power.
And let me tell you, overcoming evil is the greatest struggle that humanity has to deal with.
If the potential for evil were not so, then how could humanity know to do good?
Good is produced when tested by something not good, or the opposite of good.
In humanities case, evil is the operating opposition that when it is performed, evil is done to others, and the others may forgive the evil, in turn producing good.
Not to say that we should do evil so that good may come, but rather we should overcome evil with good.
You asked, so that is my long winded answer.
Peace>>>AJ
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As I understand it by what I have heard, read, studied and experienced of God, I find that God is my life now and forever more. So I guess my next question must be what is God to you?>>> Unforgiven
I live as one loved by Him and by which I am most grateful to suffer through this worlds holds to overcome them in Him to His honor and glory.
This was the designed plan, in my opinion, for the human specie.
Mankind is given the opportunity to be like as God being able to lord over its own environment, and to exercise it towards the good as a learnt condition by education, experience and spiritual guidance.
God created this world to be experienced in the knowledge of good and evil.
In the story of Adam and Eve the point of the story is that they were created as like babes, innocent of any potential to do evil for they as babes had not as yet being exposed to knowledge of it.
When knowledge of good and evil entered into their education, they discovered that they were naked. Naked not physically, but naked in the sense that they discovered that they came short of being a spiritual being, therefore bringing about death to the spirit of fellowship with it’s creator.
Unless the creator made accommodations to revive (Renew) their spirits, they were as a lost humanity to eternal habitation.
Hence the term “Born again” as spoken by Jesus. Not a physical rebirth but a spiritual rebirth.
What became lost, dead, was made to be revived in the obedience of spiritual requirements for us by Jesus, who as God reconciled all the world from it’s beginning to the present and for ever more to be.
Therefore death spiritually is done away with, hell, being a prison or a holding place, done away with and mankind free to worship how they please without that death penalty looming over its spirit.
However, knowledge of God alone does not bring blessing from Him, but faith in action does.
If mankind chooses to abide on this earth with no regards for God, then they must live with what this earth has to offer as solace, kindness, mercy, or to simply say, at the mercy of the earth’s desires.
God therefore to me means hope of being with Him where He is, peace through my sufferings and trials on this earth, and contentment for what I have or given.
To: love my neighbor as my self and to love God with all my heart, mind and soul.
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Are you saying that there is no purpose without opposition?>>> Unforgiven
Your next question falls in harmony with His plan.
Let’s say you are an engineer and design a bridge. How will you know whether this bridge will hold the stress if it is not tested?
Stress test then is in direct opposition to the strength of the bridge.
So one could say then, that the test is good for the bridge to see of what strength it is .
Evil in itself is not evil, but the potential to do evil is in the hands of the individual barer.
We all are evil potentials, with the burden of denying it’s power.
And let me tell you, overcoming evil is the greatest struggle that humanity has to deal with.
If the potential for evil were not so, then how could humanity know to do good?
Good is produced when tested by something not good, or the opposite of good.
In humanities case, evil is the operating opposition that when it is performed, evil is done to others, and the others may forgive the evil, in turn producing good.
Not to say that we should do evil so that good may come, but rather we should overcome evil with good.
You asked, so that is my long winded answer.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 1st, 2007, 01:06 AM
A Sense of Humor
Is Essential Within The Knowledge of All Things
Afforded Vessels of First Beginnings of That Which Is
The Nudd, The Thing, The Worm, The Rock of Offence, The Hymies, The End
The same as...Example: ST. Mark 9 verse 44 among other similar relatings
Where their worm never dies and the fire is never quenched...
AS WE REPLENISH THE EARTH
Wither we choose the high road or the low road
That which brings forth in like diversity
is just ahead in Bram berry Cross
They are also called Hymies when related in expedience to the positive…primary
catalyst to
the large and small, affording infinite
definitions of
power and substance for that which quickens. Hymies exist as the vessels of
primary
beginnings in recognition of the end as beginnings for that which goes against.
Hymies,
being seeds of first ordainments…of Mankind…as keys to The Show of Shows…
Staring Love,
Life and Light, in completed trinity to the foundation of all that is, was and shall
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August 1st, 2007, 04:21 AM
2)God does not solve the problem if everything has to have a creator and people answer god as the creator of the cosmos then who created him ? Certainly any creature advanced enough to create us and the world we live in raises more questions with his own origins that he answers .
Quoting Unforgiven
1)It's called occam's razor two equally possible reasons or conclusions ( and they are not equally possible but lets assume so for fun) the simplest answer is the most likely to be true . Evolution as an independant process , evolution as a god driven purpose which is simpler ?
So if God in fact is what we can nature and acts within those rules, why wouldn't evolution be exactly God's plan?
2)God does not solve the problem if everything has to have a creator and people answer god as the creator of the cosmos then who created him ? Certainly any creature advanced enough to create us and the world we live in raises more questions with his own origins that he answers .
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August 1st, 2007, 07:45 AM
Couldn't that be considered heresay and emotions?
Couldn't that be considered heresay and emotions?
Quoting look3467
As I understand it by what I have heard, read, studied and experienced of God, I find that God is my life now and forever more.
I live as one loved by Him and by which I am most grateful to suffer through this worlds holds to overcome them in Him to His honor and glory.
This was the designed plan, in my opinion, for the human specie.
Mankind is given the opportunity to be like as God being able to lord over its own environment, and to exercise it towards the good as a learnt condition by education, experience and spiritual guidance.
God created this world to be experienced in the knowledge of good and evil.
In the story of Adam and Eve the point of the story is that they were created as like babes, innocent of any potential to do evil for they as babes had not as yet being exposed to knowledge of it.
When knowledge of good and evil entered into their education, they discovered that they were naked. Naked not physically, but naked in the sense that they discovered that they came short of being a spiritual being, therefore bringing about death to the spirit of fellowship with it’s creator.
Unless the creator made accommodations to revive (Renew) their spirits, they were as a lost humanity to eternal habitation.
Hence the term “Born again” as spoken by Jesus. Not a physical rebirth but a spiritual rebirth.
What became lost, dead, was made to be revived in the obedience of spiritual requirements for us by Jesus, who as God reconciled all the world from it’s beginning to the present and for ever more to be.
Therefore death spiritually is done away with, hell, being a prison or a holding place, done away with and mankind free to worship how they please without that death penalty looming over its spirit.
However, knowledge of God alone does not bring blessing from Him, but faith in action does.
If mankind chooses to abide on this earth with no regards for God, then they must live with what this earth has to offer as solace, kindness, mercy, or to simply say, at the mercy of the earth’s desires.
God therefore to me means hope of being with Him where He is, peace through my sufferings and trials on this earth, and contentment for what I have or given.
To: love my neighbor as my self and to love God with all my heart, mind and soul.
Your next question falls in harmony with His plan.
Let’s say you are an engineer and design a bridge. How will you know whether this bridge will hold the stress if it is not tested?
Stress test then is in direct opposition to the strength of the bridge.
So one could say then, that the test is good for the bridge to see of what strength it is .
Evil in itself is not evil, but the potential to do evil is in the hands of the individual barer.
We all are evil potentials, with the burden of denying it’s power.
And let me tell you, overcoming evil is the greatest struggle that humanity has to deal with.
If the potential for evil were not so, then how could humanity know to do good?
Good is produced when tested by something not good, or the opposite of good.
In humanities case, evil is the operating opposition that when it is performed, evil is done to others, and the others may forgive the evil, in turn producing good.
Not to say that we should do evil so that good may come, but rather we should overcome evil with good.
You asked, so that is my long winded answer.
Peace>>>AJ
I live as one loved by Him and by which I am most grateful to suffer through this worlds holds to overcome them in Him to His honor and glory.
This was the designed plan, in my opinion, for the human specie.
Mankind is given the opportunity to be like as God being able to lord over its own environment, and to exercise it towards the good as a learnt condition by education, experience and spiritual guidance.
God created this world to be experienced in the knowledge of good and evil.
In the story of Adam and Eve the point of the story is that they were created as like babes, innocent of any potential to do evil for they as babes had not as yet being exposed to knowledge of it.
When knowledge of good and evil entered into their education, they discovered that they were naked. Naked not physically, but naked in the sense that they discovered that they came short of being a spiritual being, therefore bringing about death to the spirit of fellowship with it’s creator.
Unless the creator made accommodations to revive (Renew) their spirits, they were as a lost humanity to eternal habitation.
Hence the term “Born again” as spoken by Jesus. Not a physical rebirth but a spiritual rebirth.
What became lost, dead, was made to be revived in the obedience of spiritual requirements for us by Jesus, who as God reconciled all the world from it’s beginning to the present and for ever more to be.
Therefore death spiritually is done away with, hell, being a prison or a holding place, done away with and mankind free to worship how they please without that death penalty looming over its spirit.
However, knowledge of God alone does not bring blessing from Him, but faith in action does.
If mankind chooses to abide on this earth with no regards for God, then they must live with what this earth has to offer as solace, kindness, mercy, or to simply say, at the mercy of the earth’s desires.
God therefore to me means hope of being with Him where He is, peace through my sufferings and trials on this earth, and contentment for what I have or given.
To: love my neighbor as my self and to love God with all my heart, mind and soul.
Your next question falls in harmony with His plan.
Let’s say you are an engineer and design a bridge. How will you know whether this bridge will hold the stress if it is not tested?
Stress test then is in direct opposition to the strength of the bridge.
So one could say then, that the test is good for the bridge to see of what strength it is .
Evil in itself is not evil, but the potential to do evil is in the hands of the individual barer.
We all are evil potentials, with the burden of denying it’s power.
And let me tell you, overcoming evil is the greatest struggle that humanity has to deal with.
If the potential for evil were not so, then how could humanity know to do good?
Good is produced when tested by something not good, or the opposite of good.
In humanities case, evil is the operating opposition that when it is performed, evil is done to others, and the others may forgive the evil, in turn producing good.
Not to say that we should do evil so that good may come, but rather we should overcome evil with good.
You asked, so that is my long winded answer.
Peace>>>AJ
