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Blackleaf
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:30 AM
How so? The way I see it, a 'tradition' we continue to follow out of understanding of its current applicability is not what I would call tradition.

But once it's outlived its purpose or we've even forgotten the initial purpose, then yes, it's tradition, but that is just blind.

The world progresses by applying the mind, not through blind imitation.

We're only talking about a few men and women wearing wigs in court. It's not doing any harm to anyone. I've never seen people taking to the streets protesting about it yet.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:31 AM
Britain - and the whole world - without traditions would be a very horrible place to live.

Considering your traditions are mostly brutal, genocidal, and belong in a D*ickens novel, I'll pass, thanks.

Spade
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:33 AM
Some say tradition is like circumcision; it's for pr!cks.

Blackleaf
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:37 AM
Considering your traditions are mostly brutal, genocidal, and belong in a D*ickens novel, I'll pass, thanks.

Yeah, alright then. If you say so. Britain has been a major force for GOOD in this world.

Britain was the country which stood alone against Nazism when everyone else had either surrendered, been invaded or, like the US, sat on the sidelines. It defeated Communism and the other evil isms born on the European continent.

Remember, Britain was the first country in the world to permanently abolish slavery. You lot still had blacks in shackles as late as the 1860s.

We gave women the vote before the US, and the vast majority of the world, did.

And many Brits today will be able to remember the disgraceful way that black American soldiers were treated by their supposed comrades when they were based in Britain during WWII. Many American soldiers were angered when British barmaids served them beer in pubs - because it wasn't allowed in America at the time to serve blacks in pubs.

Machjo
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:39 AM
We're only talking about a few men and women wearing wigs in court. It's not doing any harm to anyone. I've never seen people taking to the streets protesting about it yet.

I ws speaking in more general terms about tradition, but certainly personal traditions are none of my business unless they harm myself or society. That said, those wigs really are cute, aren't they.

I should get meself one... sorry, 'myself one'.

Yeah, alright then. If you say so. Britain has been a major force for GOOD in this world.

Britain was the country which stood alone against Nazism when everyone else had either surrendered, been invaded or, like the US, sat on the sidelines. It defeated Communism and the other evil isms born on the European continent.

Remember, Britain was the first country in the world to permanently abolish slavery. You lot still had blacks in shackles as late as the 1860s.

We gave women the vote before the US, and the vast majority of the world, did.

And many Brits today will be able to remember the disgraceful way that black American soldiers were treated by their supposed comrades when they were based in Britain during WWII. Many American soldiers were angered when British barmaids served them beer in pubs - because it wasn't allowed in America at the time to serve blacks in pubs.

And what does that have to do with tradition? Your abolishing slavery was progress, not tradition. You seem to be undoing your own argument there.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:41 AM
Yeah, alright then. If you say so. Britain has been a major force for GOOD in this world.

Britain was the country which stood alone against Nazism when everyone else had either surrendered, been invaded or, like the US, sat on the sidelines. It defeated Communism and the other evil isms born on the European continent.

Remember, Britain was the first country in the world to permanently abolish slavery. You lot still had blacks in shackles as late as the 1860s.

We gave women the vote before the US, and the vast majority of the world, did.

And many Brits today will be able to remember the disgraceful way that black American soldiers were treated by their supposed comrades when they were based in Britain during WWII. Many American soldiers were angered when British barmaids served them beer in pubs - because it wasn't allowed in America at the time to serve blacks in pubs.

Be sure to conveniently forget your genocide of the Indians and the Aborigines, your brutality toward the poor, women, and children.

And you're full of it. Ireland abolished slavery, and mandated by law religious tolerance, in 1620. And Britain ESTABLISHED American slavery. And you abolished slavery in all British possessions in 1833. All of 32 years before America did the same. After British participation in and promotion of slavery for 300 years.

Yay you.

SLM
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:43 AM
I ws speaking in more general terms about tradition, but certainly personal traditions are none of my business unless they harm myself or society. That said, those wigs really are cute, aren't they.

I should get meself one... sorry, 'myself one'.

Bazinga!

Machjo
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:53 AM
Be sure to conveniently forget your genocide of the Indians and the Aborigines, your brutality toward the poor, women, and children.

And you're full of it. Ireland abolished slavery, and mandated by law religious tolerance, in 1620. And Britain ESTABLISHED American slavery. And you abolished slavery in all British possessions in 1833. All of 32 years before America did the same. After British participation in and promotion of slavery for 300 years.

Yay you.

To be fair to the British though, the Canadian residential school system was established only at Confederation and was finally abolished in 1996. this is not to say the British did not play a role in laying the groundwork to make this possible, but we cannot pin that one all on them.

Kreskin
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:54 AM
And, another question. Why do Doctors Without Borders say the death toll was 355?
I don't know. Why don't you ask them for proof?

Blackleaf
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:59 AM
I ws speaking in more general terms about tradition, but certainly personal traditions are none of my business unless they harm myself or society. That said, those wigs really are cute, aren't they.

I should get meself one... sorry, 'myself one'.

Britain is awash with ancient traditions which once served a purpose but no longer do, but are continued because of the British love of quirky traditions.

London alone is awash with hundreds of eccentric traditions which are practised every day, week, month or year, many of which most people don't even know about. I've got a book about it.

Some of the best known traditions are those practised at the State Opening of Parliament. First, the cellars of the Palace of Westminster are searched by the Yeomen of the Guard in order to prevent a modern-day Gunpowder Plot. The Yeomen are each equipped with little old-fashioned gas lamps to do their searching. There is no need for them to do this searching, but it is continued for ceremonial purposes.

And, later on during the State Opening, motioned by the Monarch, the Lord Great Chamberlain raises his wand of office to signal to the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod (known as Black Rod), who is charged with summoning the House of Commons and has been waiting in the Commons lobby. Black Rod (representing the Monarch) turns and, under the escort of the Door-keeper of the House of Lords and an inspector of police (who orders "Hats off, Strangers!" to all persons along the way), approaches the doors to the Chamber of the Commons. In 1642, King Charles I stormed into the House of Commons in an unsuccessful attempt to arrest the Five Members for treason. Since that time, no British monarch has been permitted to enter the House of Commons. On his approach the doors to the Commons are slammed shut with violence against him, in a show of the refusal by the Commons ever again to be entered by force by the monarch or one of her servants and of its right to debate without the presence of the Queen's Representative. He then strikes forcefully with the end of his ceremonial staff (the Black Rod) three times on the closed doors of the Commons Chamber and is then admitted. At the bar, Black Rod bows to the speaker before proceeding to the dispatch box and announces the command of the monarch for the attendance of the Commons, in the following words:
"Mr (or Madam) Speaker, The Queen commands this honourable House [pauses to bow to both sides of the House] to attend Her Majesty immediately in the House of Peers."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/uk_state_opening_of_parliament/img/2.jpg

Another ancient British tradition is the Ceremony of the Keys, which is practised every night at the Tower of London (since the 14th Century), Edinburgh and Gibraltar.

At exactly 9.53pm, the Chief Yeoman Warder, dressed in Tudor Watchcoat, meets the military escort, made up of members of the Tower of London Guard. Together, the Chief Yeoman Warder and the Yeoman Warder 'Watchman' secure the main gates of the Tower. Upon their return down Water Lane, the party is halted by the sentry and challenged to identify themselves:

Sentry: "Who comes there?"
Chief Warder: "The keys."
Sentry: "Whose keys?"
Chief Warder: "Queen Elizabeth's keys." (identifying the keys as being those of the current British monarch)
Sentry: "Pass Queen Elizabeth's Keys. All's well."Following this, the party makes its way through the Bloody Tower Archway into the fortress, where they halt at the bottom of the Broadwalk Steps. On the top of the Stairs, under the command of their officer, the Tower Guard present arms and the Chief Warder raises his hat, proclaiming:
Chief Warder: "God preserve Queen Elizabeth."
Sentry: "Amen!"He then takes the keys to the Queen's House for safekeeping, while the Last Post is sounded.

But these are just the well-known British traditions. You can travel throughout London, and throughout the whole of Britain, and find a whole plethora of eccentric and weird traditions that most people don't even know exist, and Britain has more eccentric little traditions than any other country.

Highball
Sep 1st, 2013, 11:47 AM
Obama sure stuck a Harpoon in Kerry's statements of a few days ago. Like the US Forest Service Wild Fire attack plan he'll opt to gather a team, have 50 + meetings and then go out and use the "Indirect Attack" method of "Sit and Watch" and make all kinds of press releases about how hard everyone is working. Especially those behind their desks in air conditioned offices. My guess? We keep giving Foreign Aid to Syria while condemning them in the media. It is the American way!

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 11:49 AM
Obama sure stuck a Harpoon in Kerry's statements of a few days ago. Like the US Forest Service Wild Fire attack plan he'll opt to gather a team, have 50 + meetings and then go out and use the "Indirect Attack" method of "Sit and Watch" and make all kinds of press releases about how hard everyone is working. Especially those behind their desks in air conditioned offices. My guess? We keep giving Foreign Aid to Syria while condemning them in the media. It is the American way!

Well, if you want to blunder in with incomplete information and no plan, you get right on that.

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 11:56 AM
Identify that chief and discharge him immediately. Complaining about policy, in uniform, makes him unfit to serve in the Navy.

What's that??

http://www.investors.com/image/BashiralAssadHoldsEar600AP_600.jpg.cms

JLM
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:01 PM
Obama sure stuck a Harpoon in Kerry's statements of a few days ago. Like the US Forest Service Wild Fire attack plan he'll opt to gather a team, have 50 + meetings and then go out and use the "Indirect Attack" method of "Sit and Watch" and make all kinds of press releases about how hard everyone is working. Especially those behind their desks in air conditioned offices. My guess? We keep giving Foreign Aid to Syria while condemning them in the media. It is the American way!

Hopefully the foreign aid was to feed starving civilians! You can't condemn an entire country for the actions and idiocy of a few. I just wish there was a way to sneak in there after dark and annihilate the perpetrators.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:04 PM
What's that??

http://www.investors.com/image/BashiralAssadHoldsEar600AP_600.jpg.cms

It's really simple. When you sign up and put on the uniform, a specialised morality kicks in. The same kind of morality that allows a lawyer to defend a scumbag. Your job is to effectuate the policies of the political leadership of the country. End of.

If you can't hack it, trade your uniform for a suit and go on talk radio.

Spade
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:05 PM
Hopefully the foreign aid was to feed starving civilians! You can't condemn an entire country for the actions and idiocy of a few. I just wish there was a way to sneak in there after dark and annihilate the perpetrators.

Whoever they may be. Any idea?

Retired_Can_Soldier
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:08 PM
Personally I think the United States should sit this out and I guess it's starting to look like that will happen. Even if the US attempts surgical strikes, this will end up blowing up in their face. One stray missile strike that kills innocent civilians will result in the usual Death to America tirade in the Middle East. These folks who are opposing Assad are just as likely to stab us in the back once they achieve their aim. Sad to say, but we should sit this out.

Spade
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:10 PM
Wow, sanity.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:12 PM
Wow, sanity.
Yep, and from a career man.

Props to you, CanSoldier!

Retired_Can_Soldier
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:15 PM
Wow, sanity.

I'm tired of seeing our soldiers killed for dishonest people in the Middle East.

JLM
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:15 PM
I know it's a dirty job but can this sh*t just be allowed to continue? I think the U.N. should have a dedicated force for the sole purpose of cleaning up this kind of sh*t.

Kreskin
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:17 PM
There won't be many soldiers riding tomahawk missiles.

hunboldt
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:17 PM
No, they are medals and ribbons. His highest medal is the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal, a minor, non-combat medal. The ribbons are for such rubbish as overseas tours served, shooting qualification, and even military training courses completed. He's no hero.

Quite probably a 'rented uniform':lol:

The best you can do in Syria is replace 'Assad bad baahtish ' with less bad Baathist guy. Syria has some heavy sour crude, modest exports. Jordan has , possibly, extensive deposits of tight oil. As long as world prices remain high.

All the fiery rhetoric won't bring the dead back to life. No need for 'immediate strikes'.

Retired_Can_Soldier
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:17 PM
I know it's a dirty job but can this sh*t just be allowed to continue? I think the U.N. should have a dedicated force for the sole purpose of cleaning up this kind of sh*t.

No, its a jug f_ck. Sorry about the dead, but until there is a grateful honest ally in the Mid-East I'd say it's time to let them overthrow their own dictators.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:18 PM
No, its a jug f_ck. Sorry about the dead, but until there is a grateful honest ally in the Mid-East I'd say it's time to let them overthrow their own dictators.

Hey! No sanity allowed!

Retired_Can_Soldier
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:18 PM
There won't be many soldiers riding tomahawk missiles.

It won't stop at Tomahawks.

JLM
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:19 PM
I'm tired of seeing our soldiers killed for dishonest people in the Middle East.

Are the ones who are being gassed dishonest people?

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:19 PM
Are the ones who are being gassed dishonest people?

Yes, they are. Next question?

Retired_Can_Soldier
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:22 PM
Are the ones who are being gassed dishonest people?

We're the people murdered by Hussein dishonest. If we are to learn anything from Iraq or Afghanistan it is to let these ungrateful bastards sort out their own problems. Let France or Germany take care of it.

JLM
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:31 PM
We're the people murdered by Hussein dishonest. If we are to learn anything from Iraq or Afghanistan it is to let these ungrateful bastards sort out their own problems. Let France or Germany take care of it.

That's an excellent philosophy..................................until the bastards show up on our door step!

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:34 PM
They are our doorstep. The door. the hall closet, the hall, the living room, the john, the kitchen, the bedrooms, the laundry closet.

Spade
Sep 1st, 2013, 12:58 PM
Are the ones who are being gassed dishonest people?


Doctors Without Borders claim 355 deaths. How many deaths would there be after a retaliatory strike. Let's see... there are 7 billion of us...

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 01:08 PM
I hope Israel talks some sense into POTUS.

My favourite Presidents of the USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcohzJvviQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcohzJvviQ)

Retired_Can_Soldier
Sep 1st, 2013, 01:10 PM
That's an excellent philosophy..................................until the bastards show up on our door step!

JLM the Middle East needs a great big injection of education so that it can crawl out of the dark ages. I have had a son and a nephew both serve in Afghanistan. My nephew watched his friend get vaporized by an IED and for what? So that the sitting President could stab the Nato Forces in the back. Until these folks sheath the knives they use to stab us in the back, I say we step off.

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 01:28 PM
They need jobs over there. They had a huge population boom and now there are a whole whack of 20 somethings with SFA to do and they blame us but at the same time want to be like us.

BaalsTears
Sep 1st, 2013, 01:59 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHJ9RMAVGI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHJ9RMAVGI)

If I swallow something evil stick your fingers down my throat. :)

tay
Sep 1st, 2013, 02:23 PM
Will John Kerry Please STFU



He says the President doesn't need to listen to congress!

We have proof!

Where have we have heard all this before oh right.


I suppose once again he is going to run for President in 2016 and is just getting the press clippings in order to show
how strong he is on defense.

Or is calling for bombing sexier and makes for better soundbites for a future political campaign?


Rather than lauding Presidential power to bomb who the **** he likes how about helping those who need help now?


Syria Crisis - One million refugee children - Donate to UNHCR - The UN Refugee Agency (http://donate.unhcr.org/syria-uk)




But at least one US Politician has his head screwed on right.......



www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvY8b4qZabY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvY8b4qZabY)




Grayson on Syria: "We Are Not the World's Policeman" - Democratic Underground (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251321470)

tay
Sep 1st, 2013, 02:36 PM
Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb. ...



http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/118404-turkey-finds-sarin-gas-homes.html

hunboldt
Sep 1st, 2013, 02:51 PM
It won't stop at Tomahawks.
http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2074/thumb_620x2000/1272905350936.jpg

Syrian 'ship of the desert"...

Goober
Sep 1st, 2013, 04:48 PM
Ever heard to the Iran-Iraq-Syria Pipeline Loco?
And add these in. Cuts Russia out of marking up the gas and reselling it to the EU.
Caspian Sea Pipeline Politics: A Boon For U.S. Investors - Seeking Alpha (http://seekingalpha.com/article/328582-caspian-sea-pipeline-politics-a-boon-for-u-s-investors)

http://www.parstimes.com/images/Pipeline.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baku_pipelines.svg

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 05:06 PM
The Caspian project is having some serious issues since the nearly two years that article was written just as it has had in the previous 8 years of build a little, wait build a little wait.

Russia is backing the Iran-Iraq-Syria line and they are taking over the Greeks too. For the past 2 years I've been saying all this kerfuffle is based on gas and the boogieman is just a diversion. Israel is in deep with the Ruskies and even Iran and Hezbollah just like America uses al Qaeda for their boogieman. Israel has some serious deficit issues and money from the US has slowed to a trickle and Russia is picking up the slack and then some which has the broke assed US, Saudis and Qataris sh*tting bricks. Russia and Israel could easily grab the Suez and screw the US and Saudis royally.

Keep an eye on China who will building a line south into Africa where America's name is mud just like the ME.

The tide is turning Goober, blow off the boogieman diversion and watch it all unfold as an energy play like I've insisted all along.

Goober
Sep 1st, 2013, 05:46 PM
What is so important about Syria?? -Gas-Oil- Strategic location. Iran next door- Shia -Sunni killing each other.

Second Congo War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War)

Six million dead in Congo's war*-*Caritas Internationalis (http://www.caritas.org/activities/emergencies/SixMillionDeadInCongoWar.html)

Over six million people have been killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo in the deadliest conflict since the Second World War.

A study published by the International Rescue Committee (IRC) in January 2008 said that 5.4 million people had died from 1998 to 2007 in Congo, with 45,000 more victims being added to the death toll every month.

With Congo’s war showing no signs of abating, this would put the death toll at 6.9 million today.
List of wars by death toll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll)

178,258-461,520 – War in Darfur (2003-present)[46]

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 06:10 PM
Syria hails 'historic American retreat' as Obama hesitate

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297460189225_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x

BEIRUT/WASHINGTON - Syria hailed an "historic American retreat" on Sunday, mockingly accusing President Barack Obama of hesitation and confusion after he delayed a military strike to consult Congress.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said tests had shown sarin nerve gas was fired on rebel-held areas near Damascus, and expressed confidence that lawmakers would do "what is right" in responding to last month's attack.

Washington says more than 1,400 people, many of them children, were killed in the attack.

Obama's decision on Saturday to seek congressional authorization for punitive military action against Syria is likely to delay any strike for at least nine days.

However, the United Nations said his announcement could be seen as part of an effort to forge a global consensus on responding to the use of chemical arms anywhere.

With Obama drawing back from the brink, President Bashar al-Assad's government reacted defiantly to the threat of Western retaliation for the Aug. 21 chemical attack, which it says was staged by the rebels.

Assad said Syria was capable of confronting any external strike, but left the most withering comments to his official media and a junior minister.

"Obama announced yesterday, directly or through implication, the beginning of the historic American retreat," Syria's official al-Thawra newspaper said in a front-page editorial.

Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad accused Obama of indecision. "It is clear there was a sense of hesitation and disappointment in what was said by President Barack Obama yesterday. And it is also clear there was a sense of confusion as well," he told reporters in Damascus.

Before Obama put on the brakes, the path had been cleared for a U.S. assault. Navy ships were in place and awaiting orders to launch missiles, and UN inspectors had left Syria after gathering evidence on the use of chemical weapons.

Kerry urged skeptical U.S. lawmakers to back a strike on Assad's forces. "This is squarely now in the hands of Congress," he told CNN, saying he had confidence "they will do what is right because they understand the stakes."

WEARY AMERICANS

Last month's attack was the deadliest incident of the Syrian civil war and the world's worst use of chemical arms since Iraq's Saddam Hussein gassed thousands of Kurds in 1988.

However, opinion polls show strong opposition to a punitive strike among Americans weary of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

U.S. lawmakers for the most part welcomed Obama's decision but have not cut short their summer recess, which ends Sept. 9. Many Democrats and Republicans are uneasy about intervening in a distant civil war in which 100,000 people have been killed over the past 2-1/2 years.

Lawmakers were to be briefed by Obama's national security team on the case for military action. Kerry said he had more evidence backing accusations against the Syrian government.

"I can share with you today that blood and hair samples that have come to us through an appropriate chain of custody, from east Damascus, from first responders, it has tested positive for signatures of sarin," Kerry told CNN's "State of the Union."

The UN weapons inspectors collected their own samples and diplomats say Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has told the five permanent Security Council members - Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States - that it would take up to two weeks before the final report is ready.

Ban views Obama's decision "as one aspect of an effort to achieve a broad-based international consensus on measures in response to any use of chemical weapons," UN spokesman Martin Nesirky said.

In Damascus, Syrians reacted with a mixture of relief, disappointment and scorn to Obama's decision. "I have to admit this morning was the first time I felt I could sleep in," said Nawal, who works as a housekeeper in the Syrian capital.

Bread had returned to the bakeries and members of the state security forces appeared relaxed, drinking tea and chatting at their posts outside government buildings.

"We always knew there wouldn't be a strike. It's not going to happen. Anyway, we were never nervous about it. We were just worried for the civilians. But we're confident it's not going to happen," one of them said.

FRANCE CANNOT GO IT ALONE

The United States had originally been expected to lead a strike relatively quickly, backed up by its NATO allies Britain and France. However, British lawmakers voted last Thursday against any involvement and France said on Sunday it would await the U.S. Congress's decision.

"France cannot go it alone," Interior Minister Manuel Valls told Europe 1 radio. "We need a coalition."

French President Francois Hollande, whose country ruled Syria for more than two decades until the 1940s, has come under increasing pressure to put the intervention to parliament.

A BVA poll on Saturday showed most French people do not approve of military action against Syria and most do not trust Hollande to conduct such an operation.

Jean-Marc Ayrault, his prime minister, was to meet the heads of both houses of parliament and the conservative opposition on Monday before lawmakers debate Syria on Wednesday.

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said Riyadh would back a U.S. strike on Syria if the Syrian people did. He was speaking at a meeting in Cairo of the Arab League, which has blamed Syria for the chemical attack but has so far stopped short of explicitly endorsing Western military strikes.

Syria and its main ally, Russia, say rebels carried out the gas attack as a ploy to draw in foreign military intervention. Moscow has repeatedly used its UN Security Council veto to block action against Syria and says any attack would be illegal and only inflame the civil war there.

Obama's credibility had already been called into question for not punishing Assad over earlier alleged gas attacks, and he is under pressure to act now that he believes Damascus has crossed what he once described as a "red line".

Failure to punish Assad, some analysts say, could mean his ally Iran would feel free to press on with a nuclear programme the West believes is aimed at developing an atomic bomb but which Tehran says has only civilian goals. That might encourage Israel to take matters into its own hands, analysts say.

"If Obama is hesitating on the matter of Syria, then clearly on the question of attacking Iran - a move that is expected to be far more complicated - Obama will hesitate much more, and thus the chances Israel will have to act alone have increased," Israeli Army Radio quoted an unnamed government official as saying.

Pope Francis called for a negotiated solution to the conflict in Syria and announced he would lead a worldwide day of prayer for peace in the country on Saturday.

source: Syria hails 'historic American retreat' as Obama hesitates | World | News | Toronto Sun (http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/01/france-says-it-cannot-act-alone-on-syria-as-us-hesitates)

damngrumpy
Sep 1st, 2013, 06:19 PM
This is more a reconsideration of reason. There should not be an effort to hammer
the current government at all. Yes someone used gas we don't know who, but I
suspect the government forces. Yes there is death for men women and children
and there is nothing civil about a civil war. Let us look at this with reason rather
than emotion.
The current government is a nasty piece of work and democracy does not exist.
However living in Syria are Muslims, Christians and Jews.. If the current folks
are removed from power that will change overnight.

Who makes up the opposition? Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and even the Taliban.
Can you imagine that crowd running the country? Destroy the present governments
will and you will have the biggest mess the Middle East has seen so far. Bombing
would have the worst case scenario. No sense ranting for peace either both sides
are locked in a life and death struggle for victory. I am for neither but the present
government is still a better bet than the terrorists winning and making things more
difficult.

Goober
Sep 1st, 2013, 06:22 PM
Syria Threads - merge them all.

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 06:33 PM
A-Stan is a stalemate, Iraq a WTF was that for, so trying anything with Syria is a piss poor idear.

Goober
Sep 1st, 2013, 06:34 PM
A-Stan is a stalemate, Iraq a WTF was that for, so trying anything with Syria is a piss poor idear.

Oil- Gas- Sunni-Shia power plays.
Why should we do anything.

Iraq-Syria- Look to see what the Kurds do. They hold a key for a substantial area that crosses borders. And are well armed.

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 07:03 PM
Kurds are inter-squabbling too. They need to hit the brakes and start working on making Kurdistan a reality. They are sitting a sweet spot for heavy oil and can make themselves a good future if they settle down and get cohesive.

Nuggler
Sep 1st, 2013, 07:16 PM
8OMust be the heat over there. Keeerist, what a bunch.

Goober
Sep 1st, 2013, 07:19 PM
Kurds are inter-squabbling too. They need to hit the brakes and start working on making Kurdistan a reality. They are sitting a sweet spot for heavy oil and can make themselves a good future if they settle down and get cohesive.

Oh they will. Wait for it. May take a tad of time. Turkey is once again the key.
Donis blog: kurdistan map (http://donistzsherie.blogspot.ca/2010/06/kurdistan-map.html)
http://donistzsherie.blogspot.ca/2010/06/kurdistan-map.html
Kurdistan's Maps and Flag (http://www.jawadmella.net/id13.html)
http://www.jawadmella.net/id13.html

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:24 PM
NG and the money involved worked to help settle Israel's differences with Turkey, heavy oil may do the same for the Kurds. To the Turks and others, Kurds are like Roma. Persona non grata.

As the old adages says "money talks and bullsh*t walks".

Spade
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:30 PM
Hypothetical #1 with follow-up question.
Suppose Obama were convinced the perpetrators were among the rebel forces not the Assad regime. Would he seek to strike the rebels militarily with cruise missiles etc.?

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:34 PM
What is so important about Syria?? -Gas-Oil- Strategic location. Iran next door- Shia -Sunni killing each other.Which is more induced fighting due to propaganda.

It's no different than the Left/Right crap being fed to the brain dead masses in Nor Am. It's created as a divide and conquer extravaganza where everybody is losing Rights and Freedoms because of their stupidity.

Those who spouted " I have nothing to hide" or "if you're not following along you're with the terrorists" or "if you don't like it you can leave" under Bush are now too ashamed to admit they were had and now blame Obama for their own stupidity.

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:39 PM
If he knows the Rebels are al Qaeda, why would he trust that they aren't responsible? Blast the snot out of the Rebels and there goes the al Qaeda problem.

You have to have some serious screws loose to being calling al Qaeda terrorists in one breath and calling them freedom fighters in the next.

Make up whatever is left of your minds already so the rest of us who call "bullsh*t" can go on with our lives.

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:49 PM
CIA asset: 'Libyan opposition is al-Qaeda' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03Xiz4i26w#t=193)

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:52 PM
What, another Syria thread???

Syria Threads - merge them all.

;)

Kreskin
Sep 1st, 2013, 08:54 PM
Believe it or not there are people who aren't extremists that just want their countries back. Afghanistan was an example. The Mujahideen weren't all extremists. The Taliban branched out of it as the extremists, and aren't/weren't supported by the rest.

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:08 PM
BBC News uses 'Iraq photo to illustrate Syrian massacre'

The BBC is facing criticism after it accidentally used a picture taken in Iraq in 2003 to illustrate the senseless massacre of children in Syria.

BBC News uses 'Iraq photo to illustrate Syrian massacre' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9293620/BBC-News-uses-Iraq-photo-to-illustrate-Syrian-massacre.html)




Same pattern as with Bush using fabricated photos to stir up war hysteria.

I guarantee one thing: ultimately, perhaps within a year or two, we are going to discover some form of Downing Street Memo or some proof that the "evidence" used to justify war will be fabricated.

One thing to watch for is this: watch for some terrorist attack whether at home or abroad against the USA. This will be used as a pretext to stir up even more war hysteria.


It's the same pattern every time.

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:10 PM
Syria Threads - merge them all.



Good idea.

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:12 PM
Good idea.

OBAMA's!! FAULT

http://www.dfinews.com/sites/dfinews.com/files/styles/large/public/theonion.jpg

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:13 PM
oh no - you're sounding like a broken record!


aaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:19 PM
we have deliberately relinquished our once-cherished role as one of the world’s foremost moral policemen


yeah like marching into the Indian subcontinent and killing millions of people constitutes morality

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:19 PM
oh no - you're sounding like a broken record!


aaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TNwnldVIqjs/UgL-7KeKKcI/AAAAAAAAXCs/Xm_dxuuQ59c/s640/BROKEN+RECORD.jpg

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:23 PM
in all honesty this is the first I've seen anyone blame Republicans for Obama's battle cries ;)

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:29 PM
in all honesty this is the first I've seen anyone blame Republicans for Obama's battle cries ;)


Obama Blames Bush For Deficit - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibkuE1DiFg)

- straight from the horses mouth..

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:31 PM
^ hey Boom - this is a thread about another war, not debts -- this being your thread, you should know better than anyone else

lol

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:34 PM
^ hey Boom - this is a thread about another war, not debts -- this being your thread, you should know better than anyone else

lol

LOL I prove my point and you want to change the subject.. NP, back on topic.. ;)

Ron Paul on Obama's Syria WMD Claim - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CgAP_gBEPQ)

This wise man should have been let run for President. He should BE President. (period)

petros
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:39 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TNwnldVIqjs/UgL-7KeKKcI/AAAAAAAAXCs/Xm_dxuuQ59c/s640/BROKEN+RECORD.jpg
From another thread posted by yours truly...

Those who spouted " I have nothing to hide" or "if you're not following along
you're with the terrorists" or "if you don't like it you can leave" under Bush
are now too ashamed to admit they were had and now blame Obama for their own
stupidity.You aren't one of those types are you B00Mski?

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:42 PM
Quote: Those who spouted " I have nothing to hide" or "if you're not following along
you're with the terrorists" or "if you don't like it you can leave" under Bush
are now too ashamed to admit they were had and now blame Obama for their own
stupidity.

You aren't one of those types are you B00Mski?




The forum wannabes have only done a few thousand times but hate it when the finger is pointed at them.

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:44 PM
From another thread posted by yours truly...

You aren't one of those types are you B00Mski?

Watch the Ron Paul video.. the neo-cons wanted the last war and want this one.. of course, it's all money in their rich buddies pockets..

I'm starting to think Obama is a better Republican than Democrat.

I mean everything he had promised to his "Democrat" voters, close Gitmo, Health Care (which is coming apart) and Immigration Reform, well never happened..

Now, Drone strikes, war in Syria and soon. huh. He's a Republican plant!! LOL :)

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:46 PM
Don't forget giving money by the wheelbarrowful to the Fortune 500 and the big banks, to help them illegally foreclose on people's homes quicker.

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:46 PM
Don't forget giving money by the wheelbarrowful to the Fortune 500 and the big banks, to help them illegally foreclose on people's homes quicker.

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/Obamas/ObamaShhh.jpg

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:49 PM
Watch the Ron Paul video.. the neo-cons wanted the last war and want this one.. of course, it's all money in their rich buddies pockets..

I'm starting to think Obama is a better Republican than Democrat.

I mean everything he has promises to his "Democrat" voters, close Gitmo, Health Care (which is coming apart) and Immigration Reform, well never happened..

Now, Drone strikes, war in Syria and soon. huh. He's a Republican plant!!



~ Gitmo ~


see previous discussion on Republicans vetoes


~ Health care ~

see previous threads on its success




BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD




------------------------------




But at least this time Republicans appear to be leading the antiwar effort.

B00Mer
Sep 1st, 2013, 09:51 PM
~ Gitmo ~

see previous discussion on Republicans vetoes

~ Health care ~

see previous threads on its success

BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD



Yes and EagleSmack educated you on this too.. Obama had the House and Senate and failed to do anything.

But at least this time Republicans appear to be leading the antiwar effort.


Really is that how you see it??

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-mccain-denounces-symbolic-strike-syria-strategy-must-threaten-assad/

McCain is crying for action..

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:04 PM
Yes and EagleSmack educated you on this too.. Obama had the House and Senate and failed to do anything.



Really is that how you see it??

John McCain: Obama Syria Strikes Should Take Out Assad | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-mccain-denounces-symbolic-strike-syria-strategy-must-threaten-assad/)

McCain is crying for action..



And as we discussed he didn't have the Congress because the DINOs took the side of the Repukeblicans. Need we go through this again???


As for conservatives who oppose war see links to right wing sites WND and Breitbart which are against intervention in Syria.


And a clear majority oppose war:


91% of Americans Adamantly Oppose War With Syria! | KnowTheLies.com - The Truth is Hidden in Plain View... (http://www.knowthelies.com/node/9342)


Once the truth gets out as it did with the Downing Street Memo everybody will oppose further war. But I repeat myself (like you do).

WLDB
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:12 PM
Obama is seeking approval from Congress to act. That isnt a retreat - its following the law.

gopher
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:17 PM
Obama is seeking approval from Congress to act. That isnt a retreat - its following the law.



If the controlled right wing media didn't stir up as much war hysteria as it has done Congress wouldn't bother to have a discussion about it - they would immediately say NO.

taxslave
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:23 PM
Obama can't loose this one. The right will vote against military action simply because Obama proposed it. It will be very hard for them to later demand that the US interfere.

gerryh
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:37 PM
Same pattern as with Bush using fabricated photos to stir up war hysteria.

I guarantee one thing: ultimately, perhaps within a year or two, we are going to discover some form of Downing Street Memo or some proof that the "evidence" used to justify war will be fabricated.

One thing to watch for is this: watch for some terrorist attack whether at home or abroad against the USA. This will be used as a pretext to stir up even more war hysteria.


It's the same pattern every time.


So, are you saying that Obama is no different than Bush?

JLM
Sep 1st, 2013, 10:45 PM
So, are you saying that Obama is no different than Bush?

There may be a mentality out there that U.S. Presidents are a bunch of war mongers.-:)

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:33 AM
Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb. ...



http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/118404-turkey-finds-sarin-gas-homes.html Did they inform John Kerry? He keeps spewing malarkey to the contrary.

Kreskin
Sep 2nd, 2013, 02:10 AM
Don't ask for proof, only the headlines are sufficient for those wanting to believe it wasn't the Syria military.

I'm sure there will be more to follow. If I had the American military threatening to blow the hell out of me I'd sure want a lot of alternate theory stories appearing.

Omicron
Sep 2nd, 2013, 02:40 AM
Syria hails 'historic American retreat' as Obama hesitate


http://stuff.digitalock.com/Will.I.Am-AlexOnTheSpot.mp3

Wonderful... the sectarian idiots use American behavior over oil to give themselves an excuse to settle long-standing disputes. They are overpopulated muther-f*cking bored idiots who want to fight because they don't have nintendo.

70% of the crap happening in Syria is about their ability to maintain control over sectarian violence. Busting them out will be like letting Yugoslavia go free... all they can do with their IQs the level of a hamster is revolt and break everything up.

Who the f*ck got the idea those ... hillbillies... wanted democracy. Tell me for one second how they'd enjoy joint thought while the f*ckin piece of monsterous control over their tribe smacks them to death with his club.


Anyway, what I saw was this: http://stuff.digitalock.com/The_Corries_Kismuils_Galley_v1.mp3

It will not be the first time Russia and Uncle Sam have faced down. Pitty the Syrian-Assads cought inbetween.

The President says, we shall test all satelite-guided cruise-missiles and drones against anything we thing is making chemical ...

http://stuff.digitalock.com/The_Corries_Twa_Corbies.mp3

No American flesh is drawn, and now we are going to grind you down.

http://stuff.digitalock.com/The_Corries_Cam_Ye_Oer_Frae_France.mp3


The Wall-Streeting servents of those deamons I tricked into joining my side is *seriously* never going to

The point is, Russia can't complain because we developed Cold War technology when she was Soviet, and now we are going to excercise satelite technology against Syria until she gets he sectarian pricks do something like form popes for each sectation.

I cannot belive the shame these sectatrians are doing, except I bet it has something to do with how I am going to kill Lufer.

http://stuff.digitalock.com/midnightgambler.mp3

Serryah
Sep 2nd, 2013, 04:52 AM
Personally I think Obama going to Congress is the only thing he could do and his best play. Congress votes no to Syria then it's their fault this "humanitarian crisis" is continuing. They vote yes and things go to hell for the US, well the blame is on Congress.

Personally I'm of the opinion that the whole region can burn. Tired of their BS, tired of their killing, tired of, well, all of it. They don't give two hoots about anything, why should the rest of the world. If the Syrians take it beyond their borders, then maybe the world should look at stepping in but until then, it's an internal Civil War, gas or not. Let them solve their own problems.

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 06:34 AM
Obama can't loose this one. The right will vote against military action simply because Obama proposed it. It will be very hard for them to later demand that the US interfere.

The tea bagger caucus will still do their usual... http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4715535914239497&pid=1.7&w=250&h=136&c=7&rs=1

Blackleaf
Sep 2nd, 2013, 07:20 AM
yeah like marching into the Indian subcontinent and killing millions of people constitutes morality

A lot of those people got what they deserved.

Anyway, now that that's sorted, back to the topic in hand.

It was saying on the news today that if more evidence emerges of the Syrian Government's use of chemical weapons against its own civilians then there may be another vote in the British Parliament on whether Britain should take military action. So Britain could still take military action against the Assad regime.

tay
Sep 2nd, 2013, 08:23 AM
Obama is seeking approval from Congress to act. That isnt a retreat - its following the law.




Oh sure WLDB, there you go pointing out a fact. You sure are a party pooper............



Media Cheerleads For Another War: Blasts Obama For Not Rushing Into Syria -- They repeatedly claimed that Obama’s decision to hold off on immediate military action emboldened America’s adversaries and undermined the nation’s “credibility”



Media Cheerleads For Another War: Blasts Obama For Not Rushing Into Syria | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/09/01/2561001/iraq-20-media-blasts-obama-administration-rushing-war/)

DaSleeper
Sep 2nd, 2013, 08:40 AM
The problem is....Obama is still in "Campaign mode"....He has forgotten that he won......It's now time to lead!

Locutus
Sep 2nd, 2013, 08:52 AM
via zip

Congressional Leaders Doubtful On Approval Of Military Strike Against Syria (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/congressional-leaders-doubtful-on-approval-of-military-strike-against-syria/)



Like I said yesterday, Obama hasn’t even made the case that Assad did it yet, let alone that we should respond, or that a response will achieve desired results and not be worse than not responding.


This is the dangerous time, when people who want there to be a strike may seek to precipitate further actions to generate it.


Via NY Post: (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)


Bam plan bombs on Capitol Hill - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)



(http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)barry wanted to look like a manly-man, the old spice man...a rugged man to win back reggie but alas...just another wordy douchebag. :lol:

(http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)

tay
Sep 2nd, 2013, 08:58 AM
via zip

Congressional Leaders Doubtful On Approval Of Military Strike Against Syria (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/congressional-leaders-doubtful-on-approval-of-military-strike-against-syria/)



[/URL]
(http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)barry wanted to look like a manly-man, the old spice man...a rugged man to win back reggie but alas...just another wordy douchebag. :lol:
(http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)
[URL="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N"] (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_plan_bombs_on_capitol_hill_q1MHbfAYAJPO1LbySjf C1N)


The Republicans never vote for something Obummer want's so this could have been part of his thinking.

But he could pull off a Clinton/Libya bombing.

And I have to ask; Who's reggie? I don't listen to Fox or the Sun so I'm not sure who this may be........







http://i.imgur.com/4kyl2ox.jpg

EagleSmack
Sep 2nd, 2013, 09:11 AM
Oh sure WLDB, there you go pointing out a fact. You sure are a party pooper............




What law is he following?

You do understand that Obama does not need congressional approval to strike Syria right?

That IS the fact.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 09:18 AM
Syria Threads - merge them all.

To the Mod Gods- Merge the Syria Threads, for the love of God please merge.

Cliffy
Sep 2nd, 2013, 09:58 AM
A lot of those people got what they deserved.

Anyway, now that that's sorted, back to the topic in hand.

It was saying on the news today that if more evidence emerges of the Syrian Government's use of chemical weapons against its own civilians then there may be another vote in the British Parliament on whether Britain should take military action. So Britain could still take military action against the Assad regime.
I would bet that you are not willing to gear up and lead the charge. Typical arm chair soldier who has no qualms about sending the young in to die for your idiotic patriotism and phony humanitarianism. I think all the pin heads who think we should go to war, should man up and go over there and put their lives where the mouths are.

Blackleaf
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:01 AM
I would bet that you are not willing to gear up and lead the charge. Typical arm chair soldier who has no qualms about sending the young in to die for your idiotic patriotism and phony humanitarianism. I think all the pin heads who think we should go to war, should man up and go over there and put their lives where the mouths are.

We should go to war. Canada, as usual, is willing to stand by and do nothing whilst civilians are gassed and brutally murdered by their own government but Britain, unlike Canada, has a history of helping those who are the victims of oppression and evil worldwide and of standing up to dictators. And we would have gone into Syria if the disgraceful Labour Party weren't looking to score cheap party political points in the Commons on Thursday night. There's a human tragedy going on and yet numpties like you want us to ignore it.

I often think, what if the same was happening in Canada? What if the Canadian government suddenly started gassing Canadian civilians? All these Bolshevik, sandal-wearing peaceniks who are against going into Syria would be the first to go crying to the USA for military help. It'd be different when it happens to them.

As for calling me a "typical arm chair general" I'll have you know that I'm a former Royal Navy sailor, and I'd gladly join up against should my Queen and Country need me.

Walter
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:02 AM
If the controlled right wing media didn't stir up as much war hysteria as it has done Congress wouldn't bother to have a discussion about it - they would immediately say NO.Which media, other than a few internet sites and some talk radio, are right wing?


Obamacare: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna; except for you and you and you and you and congress and companies.

Syria: I'm gonna bomb, I'm gonna bomb, I'm gonna bomb; but not now.

WLDB
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:03 AM
What law is he following?

You do understand that Obama does not need congressional approval to strike Syria right?

That IS the fact.

He doesnt need it unless declaring war - which wont happen. But they can always pull the plug on funding paralyzing him. That also is not likely to happen for some reason. Congress hasnt pulled the plug on any Presidents military adventures in quite some time - even when they have opposed them. Strange the way that works.

Walter
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:06 AM
He doesnt need it unless declaring war - which wont happen. But they can always pull the plug on funding paralyzing him. That also is not likely to happen for some reason. Congress hasnt pulled the plug on any Presidents military adventures in quite some time - even when they have opposed them. Strange the way that works.I believe the last time congress was asked about approving a war was in '41.

Cliffy
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:09 AM
We should go to war. Canada, as usual, is willing to stand by and do nothing whilst civilians are gassed and brutally murdered by their own government but Britain, unlike Canada, has a history of helping those who are the victims of oppression and evil worldwide and of standing up to dictators. And we would have gone into Syria if the disgraceful Labour Party weren't looking to score cheap party political points in the Commons on Thursday night. There's a human tragedy going on and yet numpties like you want us to ignore it.

I often think, what if the same was happening in Canada? What if the Canadian government suddenly started gassing Canadian civilians? All these Bolshevik, sandal-wearing peaceniks who are against going into Syria would be the first to go crying to the USA for military help. It'd be different when it happens to them.

As for calling me a "typical arm chair general" I'll have you know that I'm a former Royal Navy sailor, and I'd gladly join up against should my Queen and Country need me.
You really believe that BS! You are much farther gone than I thought. I hope they find a cure for what you have soon.

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:14 AM
I believe the last time congress was asked about approving a war was in '41.


completely wrong- T- Bones already posted THE EXAMPLES. di you not read his post, or did your read it and - forget it- or did you read it and reply to it- then forget that you replied to it- Walt?:lol:

Blackleaf
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:14 AM
You really believe that BS!

I believe we should recognise that Syrian civilians, including children, are being maimed and killed by their own government, who are also breaking international treaties in using chemical weapons.

I believe we should take military action against the Syrian regime and put an end to it. I don't believe we should stand by and let these atrocities continue.

The only BS going around is spewed out of the mouths of those who want to stand by and do nothing to end these human rights abuses. They'd be the first asking for foreign military intervention if it happened to them in Canada.

Cliffy
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:17 AM
I believe we should recognise that Syrian civilians, including children, are being maimed and killed by their own government, who are also breaking international treaties in using chemical weapons.

I believe we should take military action against the Syrian regime and out an end to it. I don't believe we should stand by and let these atrocities continue.

The only BS going around is spewed out of the mouths of those who want to stand by and do nothing to end these human rights abuses.
There is just as much evidence that the gas was used by the western backed rebels, who, BTW are our enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq. Does any of this make sense? You are buying the government and media BS without critical thought. I believe there is a name for that condition.

Christianna
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:20 AM
Don't forget giving money by the wheelbarrowful to the Fortune 500 and the big banks, to help them illegally foreclose on people's homes quicker.
Except unlike when Bush gave money away, Obama expected the money he "gave" companies to be paid back. I call that a loan.

Blackleaf
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:20 AM
There is just as much evidence that the gas was used by the western backed rebels, who, BTW are our enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq. Does any of this make sense? You are buying the government and media BS without critical thought. I believe there is a name for that condition.

The US Government and even NATO are almost certain it was an attack perpetrated by the Assad regime.

And soon I'm almost certain that will be confirmed when the UN inspectors give us the lab results.

When that proof is released - which I'm certain it will - then military action will justifiably take place against the Syrian regime. And the Syrian people, who are crying out for help, will be thankful for it.

That proof may then force a re-vote in the House of Commons and then Britain may then rightfully re-take her place amongst the nations fighting dictators and human rights abuses and putting an end to it.

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:24 AM
Watch the Ron Paul video.. the neo-cons wanted the last war and want this one.. of course, it's all money in their rich buddies pockets..

I'm starting to think Obama is a better Republican than Democrat.

I mean everything he had promised to his "Democrat" voters, close Gitmo, Health Care (which is coming apart) and Immigration Reform, well never happened..

Now, Drone strikes, war in Syria and soon. huh. He's a Republican plant!! LOL :)
tHE ONLY rEPUBLICANS AND dEMOCRATS RUNNING THE usa ARE THE ONES IN PEOPLE'S HEADS.

DAMN CAPS LOCK..FUK IT, I'm NOT FIXING IT.

Christianna
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:24 AM
Obama can't loose this one. The right will vote against military action simply because Obama proposed it. It will be very hard for them to later demand that the US interfere.
I do believe the idea of asking congress for permission is hilarious. Those warmongers have wanted Obama to "do something" about Syria , now they don't want him to do something. Poor old John McCain will be so damn confused, He just might have to put his vote where his mouth is. Obama wins either way.

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:26 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6a/Heneryhawk.jpg/200px-Heneryhawk.jpg

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:26 AM
What law is he following?

You do understand that Obama does not need congressional approval to strike Syria right?

That IS the fact.

Not quite, and I quoth the T-Bone:




http://img.lo4d.com/211/transp.png
(http://forums.canadiancontent.net/report.php?p=1792904)+3
#214Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

1 day ago

Oh, dear.

Alright, folks, let me give you a brief primer on international relations under the U.S. Constitution.

First, hunboldt is mostly right. All this amateur interpretation of the Constitution is just politics. Here is the real skinny. . .

1. The Constitution gives Congress the power "to declare War." U.S. Const., Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 10.

2. The Constitution makes the President Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy. U.S. Const., Art. II, sec. 2, cl. 1.

3. The U.S. Supreme Court has been very cautious in interpreting these provisions in the Constitution, such that it basically hasn't ruled on the respective powers of the Congress and the President in military actions.

4. Everything else is pure BS. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, the Authorization of the Use of Military Force in Iraq, and the Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Al Qaeda are all cast in precisely the same format as the Declaration of War in WWII, i.e., as a joint resolution of Congress. (A joint resolution means that both the House of Representatives and the Senate have voted to approve the resolution. It is less than an Act of Congress, but the next-best thing in lawmaking.)

5. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires a declaration of war to say "Declaration of War" at the top in 24-point Gothic typeface. How the Congress declares war is left undefined.

6. The courts have typically held that the conduct of foreign affairs is exclusively in the powers of the President, except where the Constitution specifies that the President must seek Congressional approval, as in the approval (NOT "ratification") of treaties and the declaration of war).

Because of this, LEGALLY the President can deploy and employ the Army and Navy (and presumably the Air Force and possibly the future Space Force) as he pleases. Whether or not he needs a declaration of war has never been tested.

ALL of this is "a political question," which is the phrase the Supreme Court uses when it wants to stay the hell out of the issue. There is almost NO definitive law as to when or if the President needs the approval of Congress to go kill people and blow sh*t up.

The so-called War Powers Act, which is actually the War Powers Resolution, has never been tested in the courts.

So, yeah, it's an open question. Anybody who cites this or that "law" in the debate is ignorant, a fool, or a partisan hack.

End of.



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Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:27 AM
Merge the Syria Threads

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:27 AM
tHE ONLY rEPUBLICANS AND dEMOCRATS RUNNING THE usa ARE THE ONES IN PEOPLE'S HEADS.

DAMN CAPS LOCK..FUK IT, I'm NOT FIXING IT.


The Illuminati is running the show.. :lol: 8O

http://www.wisdom-square.com/images/John-F-Kennedy-on-the-Illuminati.preview.jpg

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:29 AM
The Illuminati is running the show.. :lol: 8O

http://www.wisdom-square.com/images/John-F-Kennedy-on-the-Illuminati.preview.jpg


Ahem.
Debunked: There's a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman, and child. JFK | Metabunk (http://metabunk.org/threads/debunked-theres-a-plot-in-this-country-to-enslave-every-man-woman-and-child-jfk.319/)

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:30 AM
Merge the Syria Threads

http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/terry-why-close-up-of-baby-s-pacifier_i-G-26-2680-94IUD00Z.jpg

Here!! Now be quite.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:32 AM
http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/terry-why-close-up-of-baby-s-pacifier_i-G-26-2680-94IUD00Z.jpg

Here!! Now be quite.

Quiet?8O

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:32 AM
That too.

JLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:33 AM
Merge the Syria Threads

Merge every thread pertaining to everything from Greece to Sumatra!

Spade
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:34 AM
Monty Python - Prejudice. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fcN3VaXs4)

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:41 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=a09ea2f4ec11

You might want to listen to that video a few times, and really listen to the words.. then think about what has been hidden from the public recently, or the attack on whistle blowers like Snowden.

Kennedy was a great man and humanitarian. To bad the mold was broken and none has followed since.

SLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:44 AM
Why? They'll just be replaced by Obama threads, or whatever threads. Six of one, half a dozen of the other I'd say.

Want to see less of one topic? Post more threads with many different topics, that's how I look at it.

Blackleaf
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:46 AM
Monty Python - Prejudice. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fcN3VaXs4)

How typical of the Left to support an evil dictator.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:52 AM
Why? They'll just be replaced by Obama threads, or whatever threads. Six of one, half a dozen of the other I'd say.

Want to see less of one topic? Post more threads with many different topics, that's how I look at it.

Easier to follow the different posts when in one thread.

Tonington
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:54 AM
This story gets murkier by the hour...

Revealed: Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria - UK Politics - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html)

8O

SLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:57 AM
Easier to follow the different posts when in one thread.

Maybe so. But I find that when something is making big news, we have tons of threads on them, but they'll eventually whittle down to one maybe two.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:58 AM
This story gets murkier by the hour...

Revealed: Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria - UK Politics - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html)

8O

Check on what the West supplied Saddam during the Iraq-Iran War.

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:59 AM
Same old grind.. the fat will be trimmed down later.

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/350x0/a/6/a6786_ORIG-TRW.gif&size=400x1000

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 11:25 AM
B0Ner, you need to get laid by something other than a Husky House hooker. LOL

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 11:27 AM
The Illuminati will be defeated by the Aluminatti. Foil up boys and girls, we're in for one helluva battle.

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:00 PM
B0Ner, you need to get laid by something other than a Husky House hooker. LOL

You know it, like those rough and tumble gals.

http://2pep.com/funny%20pics/crazy%20laughing%20strange%20pictures/funniest_crazy_cool_pictures_of_hookers-bumper-sticker_20090814_1491182007.jpg

JLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:11 PM
Merge the Syria Threads

Merge every thread pertaining to everything from Greece to Sumatra!

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:12 PM
Canada, as usual, is willing to stand by and do nothing whilst civilians are gassed and brutally murdered by their own government
Guess what, numpty? So is Britain.

but Britain, unlike Canada, has a history of helping those who are the victims of oppression and evil worldwide and of standing up to dictators.
Yeah, the British Lion woke, wheezed, belched, farted, and went back to sleep.

Your finest hour, Alf.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:13 PM
Merge every thread pertaining to everything from Greece to Sumatra!

Appears voting is 7 to 1 for Merging.

JLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:21 PM
Appears voting is 7 to 1 for Merging.

There's only one thing better than merging........................................... ...eliminating!-:) Since 9/11 I doubt if there's a single thing that hasn't been said on this and related topics! -:)

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:22 PM
We should go to war. Canada, as usual, is willing to stand by and do nothing whilst civilians are gassed and brutally murdered by their own government but Britain, unlike Canada, has a history of helping those who are the victims of oppression and evil worldwide and of standing up to dictators. And we would have gone into Syria if the disgraceful Labour Party weren't looking to score cheap party political points in the Commons on Thursday night. There's a human tragedy going on and yet numpties like you want us to ignore it.

I often think, what if the same was happening in Canada? What if the Canadian government suddenly started gassing Canadian civilians? All these Bolshevik, sandal-wearing peaceniks who are against going into Syria would be the first to go crying to the USA for military help. It'd be different when it happens to them.

As for calling me a "typical arm chair general" I'll have you know that I'm a former Royal Navy sailor, and I'd gladly join up against should my Queen and Country need me.

In your case, and only your case you were a semen.

Spade
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:23 PM
The Lion King Farts - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCBtda_0n0w)

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:25 PM
There's only one thing better than merging........................................... ...eliminating!-:) Since 9/11 I doubt if there's a single thing that hasn't been said on this and related topics! -:)

You have yet to use your Franchise?
Vote now, vote often.

DaSleeper
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:27 PM
Ahem.
Debunked: There's a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman, and child. JFK | Metabunk (http://metabunk.org/threads/debunked-theres-a-plot-in-this-country-to-enslave-every-man-woman-and-child-jfk.319/)
Using a forum post as an argument in another forum????? :lol:

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:39 PM
Using a forum post as an argument in another forum????? :lol:

Ahem- Caught red handed.

Spade
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:44 PM
Members of the Russian Duma are asking to come to America to address the Congress.
Free speech N E 1? Mr. Obama?

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:45 PM
Members of the Russian Duma are asking to come to America to address the Congress.
Free speech N E 1? Mr. Obama?

A crook convention then???

Spade
Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:52 PM
I think the reasoning is "Jaw. Jaw, Jaw; not War, War, War!"

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:01 PM
Using a forum post as an argument in another forum????? :lol:


An exception rule applies when quoting a hallowed Oracle like Tecumseh Bones...:-P

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:04 PM
Ahem- Caught red handed.

once again..

http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=a09ea2f4ec11

It may not be verbatim, but sorta along the same lines as his statement...

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:05 PM
Members of the Russian Duma are asking to come to America to address the Congress.
Free speech N E 1? Mr. Obama?

Will Vlad land for the speech, or have his mount poo on the Capital from on high??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zq32iIlgtFw/UFpP1vMHlJI/AAAAAAAAPkA/JOtXRDMf_k8/s1600/PutinRidingCrane.jpeg

JLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:14 PM
Merge the Syria Threads

Goober- On an unrelated topic how does one go about setting up a poll at the beginning of a thread?

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:15 PM
once again..

http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=a09ea2f4ec11

It may not be verbatim, but sorta along the same lines as his statement...

Cannot read it -at work.

Now what the F is the use of going into Syria when you have this rampant within the ME population.

French bird ‘spy’ detained in Egypt after man found electronic device attached to suspected winged infiltrator | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/01/french-bird-spy-detained-in-egypt-after-man-found-electronic-device-attached-to-suspected-winged-infiltrator/)

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:17 PM
Goober- On an unrelated topic how does one go about setting up a poll at the beginning of a thread?

http://omegaforums.net/data/attachments/14/14221-0b9a96028a2ae2e91be3219e52999ede.jpg

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:23 PM
Goober- On an unrelated topic how does one go about setting up a poll at the beginning of a thread?

Prepare your topic as per normal but before you post it scroll down to the near bottom of the page and check the box for a poll. Then hit post thread.

It will then take you to the page to prepare your poll question and choices.

It will autoset to 4 choices but you can change that to a higher or lower number- ask the Pol question - Each choice is numbered - type in the choice. So 4,6 or 8 whatever you choose. But each line-choice must have information. If you decided upon 4 and want to change to 6, check the update box, change to 6.

Set the date to 0- as this will keeep the poll open or set a close date.

going by memory

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:26 PM
Obama 'I don't believe military intervention in Syria is the right move for America at this moment'..

In other News.. No oil found in Syria

-----------------------------

Syria says it will not use chemical weapons against its own people.

"No need really, Bombs and bullets seem to do the job just fine."

-----------------------------

President Obama recently said that he couldn't send American troops into Syria without first having a mandate.

Honestly if he's that bothered, I'll go out with him.

-----------------------------

If you're in Syria, you can't read this

http://in2eastafrica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/The-brutal-dictator-and-Sting-share-a-joke-during-a-meeting-in-in-Damascus.jpg

damngrumpy
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:29 PM
Eagle is right he does not need Congress to strike. He give the appearance of showing
them respect. In fact its put up or shut up time and he has outplayed the crazies both
in the Republican Party and the Democrats. If they vote No its their fault if the outcome
is bad. If they vote Yes and it goes bad they can't blame him because they voted for it.
For once he has trapped the radical Republican element with their own words.
For some time a bunch of Republicans were chiming he had to go through them which
he doesn't. Now he goes through them and all kinds on the right wingers are making
silly comments about he is backing down.
Personally I hope he stays out of it. Humanitarian is a relative term. We have a bunch
of bloodthirsty murdering scum call the other side a bunch of bloodthirsty murdering
scum.
Let them fight it out and finish the civil war they started. Can you imagine the howling if
the world decided to interfere in a civil war if it were happening in America? Actually
in ideology there is a civil war happening in America and there is nothing civil about it.
The old conservative right wing cannot accept the face of America is changing simple as
that. The face of America will change anyway as life moves on. Trying to stop change
is like trying to hold back the tide.

JLM
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:30 PM
Prepare your topic as per normal but before you post it scroll down to the near bottom of the page and check the box for a poll. Then hit post thread.

It will then take you to the page to prepare your poll question and choices.

It will autoset to 4 choices but you can change that to a higher or lower number- ask the Pol question - Each choice is numbered - type in the choice. So 4,6 or 8 whatever you choose. But each line-choice must have information. If you decided upon 4 and want to change to 6, check the update box, change to 6.

Set the date to 0- as this will keeep the poll open or set a close date.

going by memory

Thanks, Goober, that was fast service.-:)

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:32 PM
Back to the topic at hand... Syria

http://headlinedigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Obama-Noble-Peace-Prize.jpg

Obama's holding his Noble Peace Award as he takes the USA into a War with Syria, and it's allies, Iran, Russia and China.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 01:35 PM
Thanks, Goober, that was fast service.-:)

Well when younger, much younger I might add I would fuk like that. But then again the batter was up and ready to go a lot quicker at that age as well.

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:00 PM
[FRance lays blame:



BBC News - Syrian government behind 'massive chemical attack' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23928871)

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:11 PM
Thanks Loc.

[FRance lays blame:



BBC News - Syrian government behind 'massive chemical attack' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23928871)

Well they are having a vote on it. Now who else would they blame and why should we get involved?

tay
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:11 PM
But. . . but. . . the United States' credibility is at issue! I hear the politicians say so.

Don't know 'bout you, but I'm willing to see hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians burned to death to preserve our credibility.


The USA's credibility was demolished in the Iraq build up as seen by the British NO vote.

The UN was created as the world's policeman.

You would think no one wants to see people, not just burned but inhumanely treated but it's goes on in a lot of places and has for a long time.


Alan Grayson lays it out. Does anyone care about what's happening in Burma?




www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvY8b4qZabY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvY8b4qZabY)




http://www.bongonews.com/StoryImages/bush_blair_2.jpg

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:16 PM
This story gets murkier by the hour...

Revealed: Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria - UK Politics - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html)

8OPffffb. You can probably buy sarin on www.alibaba.com (http://www.alibaba.com)

Tonington
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:22 PM
Canada to Provide Nutritious Packed Lunches for Syria Attack | THE LAPINE (http://thelapine.ca/canada-to-provide-nutritious-packed-lunches-for-syria-attack/)

OTTAWA — U.S. President Barack Obama today asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper for Canada’s help in the coalition attack on Syria.

In a telephone call between the two leaders this morning, Obama and Harper agreed that Canada’s elderly 4-cylinder fighter jets would likely be shot down and the two agreed that Canada’s Chief of Defense Staff General Tom Lawson will immediately take up command of “Mid-Day Dietary Logistics.”

“The Prime Minister sees this as a chance for Canada to help in the on-going battle for democracy and to showcase our country’s fine foods,” read a statement released by the PMO.

As media coverage ramps up, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer made only passing reference to the role Canada’s military will play in the attack saying, “It’s hard to believe that war is actually happening…and that lunch will be provided. By the Canadians.”

:lol:

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:34 PM
That is funny.

Locutus
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:35 PM
American Troops Have A Message For Obama On Syria: We Didn’t Sign Up To Fight For Al-Qaeda… (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/american-troops-have-a-message-for-obama-on-syria-we-didnt-sign-up-to-fight-for-al-qaeda/)



http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/1235399_602174779826503_1656604366_n-465x620.jpg

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/1186141_10153258375360019_1476406656_n.jpg

Via The Blaze (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/02/treason-or-free-speech-are-these-anti-syria-strike-pictures-from-u-s-military-members-okay-blaze-poll/):Since the U.S. has started serious discussions about taking military action against Syria, many have publicly spoken out against a possible military strike (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/polls-americans-attack-syria-support-limited-action/story?id=20118605). And now it appears that some of our uniformed service personnel have come forward to express their disagreement with an attack, any attack on Syria.

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:38 PM
American Troops Have A Message For Obama On Syria: We Didn’t Sign Up To Fight For Al-Qaeda… (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/american-troops-have-a-message-for-obama-on-syria-we-didnt-sign-up-to-fight-for-al-qaeda/)



http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/1235399_602174779826503_1656604366_n-465x620.jpg

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/1186141_10153258375360019_1476406656_n.jpg

Via The Blaze (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/02/treason-or-free-speech-are-these-anti-syria-strike-pictures-from-u-s-military-members-okay-blaze-poll/):Since the U.S. has started serious discussions about taking military action against Syria, many have publicly spoken out against a possible military strike (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/polls-americans-attack-syria-support-limited-action/story?id=20118605). And now it appears that some of our uniformed service personnel have come forward to express their disagreement with an attack, any attack on Syria.


Fast approaching the start of 13 years at war

Locutus
Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:51 PM
Kerry's cosy dinner with Syria's 'Hitler'

Secretary of State and the man he likened to German dictator are pictured dining with their wives at Damascus restaurant before civil war broke out



Kerry pictured around a small table with his wife and the Assads in 2009
Assad and Kerry lean in towards each other, deep in conversation
Picture taken in February 2009 when Kerry led a delegation to Syria
Kerry yesterday compared Assad to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/02/article-2408805-1B94E57D000005DC-620_634x428.jpg

seems like yesterday...

Kerry's cosy dinner with Syria's 'Hitler': Secretary of State and the man he likened to German dictator are pictured dining with their wives at Damascus restaurant before civil war broke out | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408805/Kerrys-cosy-dinner-Syrias-Hitler-Secretary-State-man-likened-German-dictator-pictured-dining-wives-Damascus-restaurant-civil-war-broke-out.html)

hunboldt
Sep 2nd, 2013, 04:03 PM
Thanks Loc.



Well they are having a vote on it. Now who else would they blame and why should we get involved?
http://oi36.tinypic.com/9fw7md.jpg

Goober
Sep 2nd, 2013, 04:04 PM
http://oi36.tinypic.com/9fw7md.jpg

We (the West) should stay the F out of it.

Kreskin
Sep 2nd, 2013, 04:45 PM
Bush improved relations with Turkey. They will be an asset during a strike.
http://www.president-bush.com/bush-turkey.jpg

gopher
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:12 PM
Obama can't loose this one. The right will vote against military action simply because Obama proposed it. It will be very hard for them to later demand that the US interfere.



Here in Gopherland WCCO-TV (the local CBS affiliate) took a survey and said the majority opposed interventionism [sorry, I forgot the precise number]. Interestingly, Republicans by far oppose Congressional approval of Obama's request for authorization.

Good to see that right wingers finally have come to the realization that all these wars are just for the benefit of war profiteers.

But just as a precaution: watch for any reported "terrorist" attacks upon the USA whether at home or abroad which are intended to stir up more pro war hysteria.

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:16 PM
If you support war, you're with the terrorists.


Wow, now that's what I call sleeping through the alarm clock.

gopher
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:21 PM
Eagle is right he does not need Congress to strike. He give the appearance of showing
them respect. In fact its put up or shut up time and he has outplayed the crazies both
in the Republican Party and the Democrats. If they vote No its their fault if the outcome
is bad. If they vote Yes and it goes bad they can't blame him because they voted for it.



It is true that he is playing politics with the Republicans - in this way if they refuse his authorization request now they cannot say he is soft on terrorism.

But my question to you is, what proof do you have that ''he does not need Congress to strike''? He can mobilize troops ONLY if there is an imminent threat to our security. Where is the imminent "threat" here?

A lot of those people got what they deserved.

Anyway, now that that's sorted, back to the topic in hand.





Millions of people in the Indian subcontinent deserved to die because of Queen Victoria's imperialism?

Wow - I'm surprised nobody on the forum criticized that one.

petros
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:24 PM
Where is the imminent "threat" here?
I don't know what America mission is but for Canada it goes like this (I dig the wording):


Welcome to the Canadian Embassy in Syria. Our mandate is to promote Canada's economic interests in Syria and, in this context, to support the efforts of Canadian companies who have selected Syria as a target market for their products, services or technologies. The Commercial section also provides assistance to its local contacts by matching their needs with the appropriate sources of Canadian products and services, and by offering help in pursuing investment opportunities in Canada.


What is considered appropriate to target? What are our interests?

Hey Kerry, don't target what I'm interested in.

And hey, why is our Embassy open if there is al-Qaeda running around on the loose and a threat of gas attacks?

Locutus
Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:53 PM
Flashback: Chemical Weapons In Syria Include WMDs Shipped From Iraq (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/flashback-chemical-weapons-in-syria-include-wmds-shipped-from-iraq/)

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2013-09-02-at-10.23.32-PM.png

The media is fond of saying, without question, that there were no WMDs found in Iraq.

This has always been untrue and easily refuted, if media did anything other than parrot the party line.

The question isn’t about whether there were WMDs. The question has been how have we been letting the media get away with mistating the facts for all these years when ample evidence was there.

As the military reported, after we went into Iraq, chemical weapons, facilities and residue were in fact found, and kept being found for years afterward.


Via NY Post from 2010: (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM)There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons arsenal — most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.



le more


Flashback: Chemical Weapons In Syria Include WMDs Shipped From Iraq | Weasel Zippers (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/flashback-chemical-weapons-in-syria-include-wmds-shipped-from-iraq/)

B00Mer
Sep 2nd, 2013, 11:54 PM
The constitution of the Syrian Arab Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Arab_Republic) guarantees freedom of religion. Syria has had two constitutions: one passed in 1973, and one in 2012 through a referendum. Opposition groups rejected the referendum; claiming that the vote was rigged.

Source: Freedom of religion in Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Syria)

So Obama is supporting and giving aid to the hardline religious fanatics that want to turn Syria into another Sunni Islamist religious state..

I guess Obama wants another Mohamed Morsi running Syria ??

JLM
Sep 3rd, 2013, 12:15 AM
I'm thinking perhaps Obama is suffering from "The cat jumping on the hot stove syndrome"!

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:22 AM
The constitution of the Syrian Arab Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Arab_Republic) guarantees freedom of religion. Syria has had two constitutions: one passed in 1973, and one in 2012 through a referendum. Opposition groups rejected the referendum; claiming that the vote was rigged.

Source: Freedom of religion in Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Syria)

So Obama is supporting and giving aid to the hardline religious fanatics that want to turn Syria into another Sunni Islamist religious state..

I guess Obama wants another Mohamed Morsi running Syria ?? Christians were safe Israel and Palestine then along came America. Christians were safe in Lebanon then along came America. Christians were safe in Iraq then along came America. Christians were safe in Iran then along came America. Christians were safe Egypt in then along came America. Christians were safe in Syria then along came America. Christians were safe in America then along came America.

It's not Obama, it's just America.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:29 AM
Christians were safe Israel and Palestine then along came America. Christians were safe in Lebanon then along came America. Christians were safe in Iraq then along came America. Christians were safe in Iran then along came America. Christians were safe Egypt in then along came America. Christians were safe in Syria then along came America. Christians were safe in America then along came America.

It's not Obama, it's just America.

Right now it's Obama.. screwing up Syria..

The rest can be attributed to past Presidents..

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:32 AM
It not only f*cks up Syria, it f*cks up Israel.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:32 AM
America trying to be the "world police."

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:33 AM
It not only f*cks up Syria, it f*cks up Israel.

Oh here goes your anti-Semitic B.S. Yawn - yup it's all the Jews Fault..

http://www.troll.me/images/cup-guy/no-no-no-good-sircoffee-guy-says-its-always-the-jews-fault-thumb.jpg

Kreskin
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:33 AM
America trying to be the "world police."
At least they have the guts to do something. If it wasn't for the US the world would be much more screwed up.

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:35 AM
Oh here goes your anti-Semitic B.S. Yawn - yup it's all the Jews Fault..

http://www.troll.me/images/cup-guy/no-no-no-good-sircoffee-guy-says-its-always-the-jews-fault-thumb.jpg
Is that what I'm getting at B0Ner?

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:36 AM
At least they have the guts to do something. If it wasn't for the US the world would be much more screwed up.

Agreed, to a point.. I also think they have done a lot of screwing up the world too..

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:36 AM
What's the motto of the Brotherhood?

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:39 AM
What's the motto of the Brotherhood?

“Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; Qur'an is our law.; Jihad is our way; dying in the path of Allah is our highest hope.”

The White House released $1.5 Billion in Aid to Egypt which will allow US weapons to be used against Israel.

KUNA : White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures - Politics - 05/04/2012 (http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2232075&language=en)

But the White House did NOT support the Democracy movement in IRAN.
You might ask WHY?

Obama: "My Muslim Faith" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw)

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:42 AM
Who is their Jihad against? 'Merica or Israel?

Tell me what another brotherhood nation bordering Israel would be like for Israel?

A f*cking bonus?

Where do you find Anti-Semitism in my comment now?

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:42 AM
Who is their Jihad against? 'Merica or Israel?

Non believers, infidels.. and they want an Islamic Empire around the world...

The Muslim Brotherhood also spun off/started several other groups like Hamas, Hazbollah, Al Queda.

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:43 AM
Why does America keep backing them? Are they into backing Anti-Semitism for gits and shiggles? Are Christians getting f*cked over too?

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:54 AM
Anyhow, I hope the USA attacks.. and soon.. The US Needs a real war with.. Iran, Russia and China.. give the USA an *** kicking to learn it's new place in the new world..

Iran threatens payback on Syria; Russia sends warships (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/29/syria-iran-retaliation-threats-not-empty/2726493/)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNialNqmFh0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNialNqmFh0)

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:58 AM
That is what this could turn into unless they send in Riddic kulous.... fvcking censor.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:07 AM
That is what this could turn into unless they send in Riddic kulous.... fvcking censor.

Hey look at the upside, war machine will be creating jobs, enact the draft and they could send off 2 million to their death, unemployment rates will start to look good and the US economy will get better..

Sen. John McCain: U.K. is 'no longer a world power' - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/1/john-mccain-uk-no-longer-world-power/)

Hey FYI McCain, neither is the USA when you have to borrow from China to fight a war with.. Iran, Russia and oh wait!? China. LOL

http://www.allmystery.de/i/b41f028_smiley_rofl2.gif

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:10 AM
The Saudis aren't doing so good ether. Good thing this sick joke on Americans raised the price of oil $15 a barrel. Now it'll be ever harder for the economy to recover.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 3rd, 2013, 05:47 AM
What's the motto of the Brotherhood?
"Bros before hos."

Locutus
Sep 3rd, 2013, 08:16 AM
via sda:

The New Yorker's George Packer has an interesting and contentious conversation with himself (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/08/the-debate-over-intervention-in-syria.html) about Syria.


So it looks like we’re going to bomb Assad.

Good.

Really? Why good?

Did you see the videos (http://www.lemonde.fr/a-la-une/article/2013/08/26/syrie-le-crime-de-trop-appelle-une-riposte_3466412_3208.html) of those kids? I heard (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/ann-curry-reports/52832049#52832049) that ten thousand people were gassed. Hundreds of them died. This time, we have to do something.

Yes, I saw the videos.


more

The Debate Over Intervention in Syria : The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/08/the-debate-over-intervention-in-syria.html)




Oh, and while we're at it, there's this piece:

Syria's 'chemical weapons' turn out to be sodium fluoride used in the U.S. water supply and sold at Wal-Mart



Natural News can now reveal that the Syria chemical weapons narrative being pushed by the White House is an outlandish hoax.

To understand why, you have to start with the story published in The Independent entitled Revealed: Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html).

Sounds scary, right? As The Independent reports:

The Government was accused of "breathtaking laxity" in its arms controls last night after it emerged that officials authorised the export to Syria of two chemicals capable of being used to make a nerve agent such as sarin a year ago.

What, exactly, are those two dangerous chemicals that need to be controlled via "arms control" regulations? You won't believe me when I tell you. They are:

• sodium fluoride
• potassium fluoride

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/fluoride-Independent-600.jpg

If these chemical names sound familiar, that's because sodium fluoride is the same toxic chemical that's routinely dumped into municipal water supplies all across the USA under the guise of "water fluoridation."

In fact, the forced feeding of sodium fluoride to the U.S. population is called a "public health" victory by the CDC, FDA and dentists everywhere. Yet this same chemical, when sold to Syria, is openly and repeatedly referred to as a "chemical weapon." This is true across the BBC, the Guardian, Daily Record and Sunday Mail, France24.com and literally thousands of other news websites.

According to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, any government "regime" that uses chemical weapons against its own people should be bombed / invaded / overthrown by a coalition of other United Nations members. By his own definition, then, the United States of America should now be invaded by the UN because the government uses a deadly chemical weapon -- sodium fluoride -- on its own people.

By implication, then, John Kerry is now calling for the UN to bomb the USA. As the international media now confirms, sodium fluoride is a chemical weapon, and this chemical weapon is used against the American people every single day in the water supply, a favorite attack vector for terrorists.

"Evidence" of chemical weapons nothing more than hair samples of people who drank sodium fluoride

more

Bombshell: Syria's 'chemical weapons' turn out to be sodium fluoride used in the U.S. water supply and sold at Wal-Mart (http://www.naturalnews.com/041883_Syria_chemical_weapons_sodium_fluoride.html )

JLM
Sep 3rd, 2013, 08:32 AM
The Saudis aren't doing so good ether. Good thing this sick joke on Americans raised the price of oil $15 a barrel. Now it'll be ever harder for the economy to recover.

Someone is definitely asleep at the switch, gas prices haven't budged here in over a week!

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 08:53 AM
Not quite, and I quoth the T-Bone:





T-Bone was saying what I'm saying. The President can order a military attack without the authorization or vote from congress.

Kreskin
Sep 3rd, 2013, 08:58 AM
T-Bone was saying what I'm saying. The President can order a military attack without the authorization or vote from congress.
But that is a no-win situation. Even if the strikes were hugely successful the world is full of bloggers and politicians that will paint a different picture. That is not in the interest of any American.

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:05 AM
Eagle is right he does not need Congress to strike. He give the appearance of showing
them respect. In fact its put up or shut up time and he has outplayed the crazies both
in the Republican Party and the Democrats. If they vote No its their fault if the outcome
is bad. If they vote Yes and it goes bad they can't blame him because they voted for it.
For once he has trapped the radical Republican element with their own words.
For some time a bunch of Republicans were chiming he had to go through them which
he doesn't..

Keep spinning DG. Obama wanted to strike Syria and caved in and was pressured to go to congress. If they vote no the President has been defeated and Al Queda doesn't get US Navy air and cruise missile support. Obama trapped himself.

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:06 AM
T-Bone was saying what I'm saying. The President can order a military attack without the authorization or vote from congress.


You didn't read what he wrote. Or, More likely, you did but couldn't comprehend it..:smile:
Or....

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:08 AM
But that is a no-win situation. Even if the strikes were hugely successful the world is full of bloggers and politicians that will paint a different picture. That is not in the interest of any American.

I agree. That is why I believe congress will go against the strike on Syria.

You didn't read what he wrote. Or, More likely, you did but couldn't comprehend it..:smile:
Or....

The President does not need Congressional approval from Congress to order military action. BOOM

Locutus
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:17 AM
Someone is definitely asleep at the switch, gas prices haven't budged here in over a week!

Yeah well...anyway...it's all about oil or something. That's what they say. *cough*

Kreskin
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:22 AM
Keep spinning DG. Obama wanted to strike Syria and caved in and was pressured to go to congress. If they vote no the President has been defeated and Al Queda doesn't get US Navy air and cruise missile support. Obama trapped himself.
If they vote no that will create an even more interesting political situation. And I don't think BO will look all that bad in the end. When all the bluster starts in the 2016 Pres race there will be lots to feed on. Can't say the no-vote will look like a future Commander-In-Chief.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:23 AM
T-Bone was saying what I'm saying. The President can order a military attack without the authorization or vote from congress.
Correct! The Supreme Court may someday hold that the President may not take non-emergency military action without Congressional consent, but that day has not arrived (and is not likely to, given the Supremes' avoidance of the issue in the past).

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:30 AM
Correct! The Supreme Court may someday hold that the President may not take non-emergency military action without Congressional consent, but that day has not arrived (and is not likely to, given the Supremes' avoidance of the issue in the past).

Thank you!

You didn't read what he wrote. Or, More likely, you did but couldn't comprehend it..:smile:
Or....

Are we clear now Hunboldt? Are we clear!

http://www.furiouscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/a-few-good-men-1992-00-630-75.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=IEEzzAUG0IPHCM&tbnid=pPtWXpD3F9h0iM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.furiouscinema.com%2F2011%2F10 %2F50-furious-film-fiends-more%2F&ei=0_ElUrq1KZau4AOl3IDoDg&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGHNroxtaSkYG1tWF2IUH1nvGcCnw&ust=1378304848120655)

If they vote no that will create an even more interesting political situation. And I don't think BO will look all that bad in the end. When all the bluster starts in the 2016 Pres race there will be lots to feed on. Can't say the no-vote will look like a future Commander-In-Chief.

To his base Obama will never look bad. But he will have lost. The Administration has stated they want to punish Syria with some sort of strike and Congress will most likely vote against it. Obama either bows to Congressional will or does it anyways.

JLM
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:33 AM
Thank you!



Are we clear now Hunboldt? Are we clear!

http://www.furiouscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/a-few-good-men-1992-00-630-75.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=IEEzzAUG0IPHCM&tbnid=pPtWXpD3F9h0iM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.furiouscinema.com%2F2011%2F10 %2F50-furious-film-fiends-more%2F&ei=0_ElUrq1KZau4AOl3IDoDg&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGHNroxtaSkYG1tWF2IUH1nvGcCnw&ust=1378304848120655)



To his base Obama will never look bad. But he will have lost. The Administration has stated they want to punish Syria with some sort of strike and Congress will most likely vote against it. Obama either bows to Congressional will or does it anyways.

Yeah, and I think he has a fairly large base, much to the baggers' chagrin!

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:36 AM
Yeah, and I think he has a fairly large base, much to the baggers chagrin!

Well when you are dependent on the government... you get a sheep like base.

http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/data/images/full/2012/09/27/1711-woman-obama-phone.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=JL0WG9xrVPu7NM&tbnid=cc4AtVw4mfu1uM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idigitaltimes.com%2Farticles% 2F11472%2F20120927%2Fcleveland-woman-voting-obama-gave-phone-video.htm&ei=0PMlUtyCBbfk4AO4oYH4Cw&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNEECjn3vmP4EBs3kF_ESuhFABrMJQ&ust=1378305355415955)

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:38 AM
Correct! The Supreme Court may someday hold that the President may not take non-emergency military action without Congressional consent, but that day has not arrived (and is not likely to, given the Supremes' avoidance of the issue in the past).

The issue has been left 'flexible' in order to allow the POTUS the flexibility to deal with a fast developing scenario. E-Smack is trying to make a case that P-Obama's decision to place the matter before Congress 'paints him into a corner'.

Or something like that When he posted:

Keep spinning DG. Obama wanted to strike Syria and caved in and was pressured to go to congress. If they vote no the President has been defeated and Al Queda doesn't get US Navy air and cruise missile support. Obama trapped himself.

I condense it into 'wishful thinking'.:lol:

Yeah, and I think he has a fairly large base, much to the baggers' chagrin!

E-Smack is hurling turf at the wall to see what sticks.:lol:

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:42 AM
The issue has been left 'flexible' in order to allow the POTUS the flexibility to deal with a fast developing scenario. E-Smack is trying to make a case that P-Obama's decision to place the matter before Congress 'paints him into a corner'.

Or something like that When he posted:

Keep spinning DG. Obama wanted to strike Syria and caved in and was pressured to go to congress. If they vote no the President has been defeated and Al Queda doesn't get US Navy air and cruise missile support. Obama trapped himself.

I condense it into 'wishful thinking'.:lol:



E-Smack is hurling turf at the wall to see what sticks.:lol:
You may be right. My entire point here is that there is no settled law saying the President may not take non-emergency military action without Congressional approval. That makes it what the courts call "a political question."

Y'all may read the tea leaves in accordance with whatever predispositions you have.

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:43 AM
The issue has been left 'flexible' in order to allow the POTUS the flexibility to deal with a fast developing scenario. E-Smack is trying to make a case that P-Obama's decision to place the matter before Congress 'paints him into a corner'.

Or something like that When he posted:

Keep spinning DG. Obama wanted to strike Syria and caved in and was pressured to go to congress. If they vote no the President has been defeated and Al Queda doesn't get US Navy air and cruise missile support. Obama trapped himself.

I condense it into 'wishful thinking'.:lol:

Two different topics altogether.

President Obama does not need Congressional approval to strike at Syria. FACT

I disagreed with DG and gave my opinion on another topic relating to Syria.

Jumping from post to post cannot save you.

Are we clear? ARE WE CLEAR!

http://redstick.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/afewgoodmenjacktruth.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=SKay08-DrjaawM&tbnid=G90t37y_ocAqfM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fredstick.wordpress.com%2Fcategory %2Fbaton-rouge-traffic%2F&ei=N_UlUp28EsLD4APNkIHoBg&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGHNroxtaSkYG1tWF2IUH1nvGcCnw&ust=1378304848120655)



E-Smack is hurling turf at the wall to see what sticks.:lol:

Wow... I must have really stung you eh?

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:45 AM
two different topics altogether.

President obama does not need congressional approval to strike at syria. Fact

i disagreed with dg and gave my opinion on another topic relating to syria.

Jumping from post to post cannot save you.

Are we clear? Are we clear!

http://redstick.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/afewgoodmenjacktruth.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=skay08-drjaawm&tbnid=g90t37y_ocaqfm:&ved=0cauqjrw&url=http%3a%2f%2fredstick.wordpress.com%2fcategory %2fbaton-rouge-traffic%2f&ei=n_ulup28esld4apnkihobg&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=afqjcnghnroxtaskyg1twf2iuh1nvgccnw&ust=1378304848120655)



wow... I must have really stung you eh?
*snort*

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:46 AM
You didn't read what he wrote. Or, More likely, you did but couldn't comprehend it..:smile:
Or....

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/Gammaza/Fail/Fail6.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=oh46uFqY8VIybM&tbnid=ryc44XL5Wxi_JM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nag.co.za%2Fforums%2Fshowthre ad.php%3F6100-An-immense-shipment-of-FAIL-from-failblog-org-56K-EPIC-FAIL&ei=NfYlUovXCbbF4AOokYEg&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGOqucnlDvG6BhPoAzTIwOnKgbOeA&ust=1378305899507632)

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:13 AM
Smack, you are wasting bandwidth and raising the question of whether you are taking some illicit substance.
Give it up...

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:15 AM
Smack, you are wasting bandwidth and raising the question of whether you are taking some illicit substance.
Give it up...

Hmmm... that won't save you either.

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:16 AM
:-PWell when you are dependent on the government... you get a sheep like base.

http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/data/images/full/2012/09/27/1711-woman-obama-phone.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=JL0WG9xrVPu7NM&tbnid=cc4AtVw4mfu1uM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idigitaltimes.com%2Farticles% 2F11472%2F20120927%2Fcleveland-woman-voting-obama-gave-phone-video.htm&ei=0PMlUtyCBbfk4AO4oYH4Cw&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNEECjn3vmP4EBs3kF_ESuhFABrMJQ&ust=1378305355415955)

B______er all to do with the point under discussion.
StaRt a 'I am fixated by homely females' thread, Smack.
*SNORT*

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:20 AM
:-P

B______er all to do with the point under discussion.
StaRt a 'I am fixated by homely females' thread, Smack.
*SNORT*

You understand I was addressing another poster?

Damn dude... you fail again!

http://te.i.uol.com.br/album/fails_f_025.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=bjSNoZ6a7cCRzM&tbnid=RVlkKtc1b3qYPM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftecnologia.uol.com.br%2Falbum%2Ff ails_album.htm&ei=Gv4lUqLVEbKx4APt14CAAw&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGOqucnlDvG6BhPoAzTIwOnKgbOeA&ust=1378305899507632)

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:27 AM
Obama is on the news Droning on about how it will hurt the US image if they don't attack...

Too late, Benghazi did that.. the world knows that the USA will leave your man behind now.. and tossing a few cruise missiles at Syria won't change that..

If I was Russia, about the same time the USA sends off it's cruise missiles, I would take them out, or the ship that sends it..

Syrian's Russian supplied Migs and SU-50;s are fully capable of blowing F-16's and F-18's out of the Sky's.

I never thought I would stand up for Russia over the U.S.A.
*******Obama is very dangerous man*********.
******Like Putin said the other day.************..
" Obama's is a monkey with a grenade "

Russia sends military reconnaissance ship to Syrian coast | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/russia-military-reconnaissance-ship-syrian-coast)

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:33 AM
you understand i was addressing another poster?

Damn dude... You fail again!



*snort snort snort snort & ---snort*

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:34 AM
*snort snort snort snort & ---snort*

Torro Torro

http://www.cas-international.org/uploads/pics/Anti_bullfighting__c__Larry_Torro_01.jpg

Zipperfish
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:52 AM
Obama is on the news Droning on about how it will hurt the US image if they don't attack...

Too late, Benghazi did that.. the world knows that the USA will leave your man behind now.. and tossing a few cruise missiles at Syria won't change that..

If I was Russia, about the same time the USA sends off it's cruise missiles, I would take them out, or the ship that sends it..

Syrian's Russian supplied Migs and SU-50;s are fully capable of blowing F-16's and F-18's out of the Sky's.

I never thought I would stand up for Russia over the U.S.A.
*******Obama is very dangerous man*********.
******Like Putin said the other day.************..
" Obama's is a monkey with a grenade "

Russia sends military reconnaissance ship to Syrian coast | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/russia-military-reconnaissance-ship-syrian-coast)

I'm not that surprised. I imagine that Putin has quite a shadow following among the American right. He's very conservative, to start with. He's defintiely got a a Puritan streak in him. And he doesn't back down. The last thing you could accuse him of being is a liberal.

mentalfloss
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:57 AM
Just out of curiosity (for the ignorant peoples like myself), what kind of benefits would military intervention bring in this situation?

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 11:11 AM
Just out of curiosity (for the ignorant peoples like myself), what kind of benefits would military intervention bring in this situation?

Just letting a banana republic know that the USA won't stand for the use of Poison Gas.. yawn.

HOWEVER!!!

Ron Paul: Syria Chemical Attack Looks Like a "False Flag." Pat Buchanan & Vladamir Putin Agree - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58wRrd3aeI)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/59727_479004092160906_1485965586_n.png

Locutus
Sep 3rd, 2013, 11:32 AM
barry is trying impress and win back his beau reggie.

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 3rd, 2013, 11:43 AM
I never thought I would stand up for Russia over the U.S.A.

Good you've shown your true colours. I'll bookmark this for future use.

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 11:46 AM
*snort snort snort snort & ---snort*

And making your font bigger changes your...

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2009/03/zctqhik8cl0tyjror4nqk77oo1_400.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=nXrx5nlbVHBAtM&tbnid=rrHCRiHeNeB5yM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urlesque.com%2F2009%2F03%2F24 %2Ffail-blogs-epic-win%2F&ei=BBImUtS5BPfi4APWroDICQ&bvm=bv.51495398,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGOqucnlDvG6BhPoAzTIwOnKgbOeA&ust=1378305899507632)

...?

He's defintiely got a a Puritan streak in him. .

Putin has a Puritan streak?

Locutus
Sep 3rd, 2013, 11:50 AM
Who's the Boss?

aka I have bigger testicles than the weak but fabulous prez.

Pelosi Uses Conversation With 5-Year-Old Grandson To Push For Attack On Syria

Pelosi Uses Conversation With 5-Year-Old Grandson To Push For Attack On Syria | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/09/03/pelosi_uses_conversation_with_5-year-old_grandson_to_push_for_attack_on_syria.html)

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 12:40 PM
Just out of curiosity (for the ignorant peoples like myself), what kind of benefits would military intervention bring in this situation?

The POTUS has caused the Assad regime to stop using chemical weapons ( for now), and disperse their military 'targets of Opportunity, which is a huge undertaking.

Read Mahan on 'concentration of Force'
and he didn't fire a shot.

so far, a win- win. IMHO

But that is a no-win situation. Even if the strikes were hugely successful the world is full of bloggers and politicians that will paint a different picture. That is not in the interest of any American.

Exactly. Thanks Kreskin

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 12:40 PM
Good you've shown your true colours. I'll bookmark this for future use.

I'll have you know, they are still Red, White and Blue!!

http://www.russianstory.com/images/russian_flag.gif

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 12:51 PM
check

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:01 PM
check

mate.

Zipperfish
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:48 PM
The media is fond of saying, without question, that there were no WMDs found in Iraq.

In their defence, it may have something to do wiht the fact that no WMDs were found in Iraq.

And making your font bigger changes your...



...?



Putin has a Puritan streak?

Outlawing "gay propaganda"? Do try to keep up.

EagleSmack
Sep 3rd, 2013, 01:54 PM
Outlawing "gay propaganda"? Do try to keep up.

Yeah I get all that...

But Puritan? He's got a Puritan streak?

I bet you think the Puritans were all so Godly and chaste... full of virtue and all that. Please... do try and educate yourselves on who the Puritans were.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:07 PM
Yeah I get all that...

But Puritan? He's got a Puritan streak?

I bet you think the Puritans were all so Godly and chaste... full of virtue and all that. Please... do try and educate yourselves on who the Puritans were.

True Lighters (https://www.facebook.com/TrueLightCovenantChurch)

Outlawing "gay propaganda"? .

You want to be Gay, then be Gay.. but I don't want to know about it or see you parade around in the streets being proud of it..

You don't see straight people dancing in the streets or bragging about being straight..

What you or anyone does behind closed doors with a willing partner is their business and does not have to be broadcast.

I will say everyone should have equal rights as a human, marriage, benefits, and so on.

Zipperfish
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:07 PM
Yeah I get all that...

But Puritan? He's got a Puritan streak?

I bet you think the Puritans were all so Godly and chaste... full of virtue and all that. Please... do try and educate yourselves on who the Puritans were.

It's a figure of speech. Like when you call someone a vandal, you don't literallly mean that they were part of barbarian Germanic Tribe in the 6th century.

https://www.google.ca/#q=puritanical

"Practicing or affecting strict religious or moral behavior."

Sheesh.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:11 PM
Puritan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan)

BaalsTears
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:37 PM
Obama will be defeated by Assad, Putin and Khamenei. Obama doesn't have the stones to fight a successful war.

Cliffy
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:44 PM
Obama will be defeated by Assad, Putin and Khamenei. Obama doesn't have the stones to fight a successful war.
Where would be the win in fighting any war in the ME?

"Fools rush in in where wise men fear to tread." Like Bush, Obama has to deal with so called intelligence agencies with their own agendas. Not a very good position to be in for anybody. He may have woke up to the fact that he is being fed bogus intel.

BaalsTears
Sep 3rd, 2013, 02:48 PM
Where would be the win in fighting any war in the ME?

"Fools rush in in where wise men fear to tread." Like Bush, Obama has to deal with so called intelligence agencies with their own agendas. Not a very good position to be in for anybody. He may have woke up to the fact that he is being fed bogus intel.

Obama screwed up by laying down a Red Line on chemical weapons, and now he wants to go to war to preserve his credibility. **** Obama's credibility.

ShintoMale
Sep 3rd, 2013, 03:33 PM
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JLM
Sep 3rd, 2013, 04:00 PM
In their defence, it may have something to do wiht the fact that no WMDs were found in Iraq.



Outlawing "gay propaganda"? Do try to keep up.

Many people can not get it through their heads that because W.M.D.s were not FOUND in Iraq, does NOT mean there were no W.M.D.s in Iraq. If you want to know just how vicious Saddam Hussein was you may want to check with the Kurds.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 04:03 PM
Awesome!! ShintoMale.

Obama drew a line in the sand, so now he has to try and prove the USA is not weak... to late Obama, you left a man behind to die in Benghazi, that shows the US under an Obama government is a joke. nuff said.

Russia Says American Evidence on Syria 'Inconclusive' - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-american-evidence-syria-inconclusive/story?id=20133916)

Tecumsehsbones
Sep 3rd, 2013, 04:06 PM
awesome!! Shintomale.

Obama drew a line in the sand, so now he has to try and prove the usa is not weak... To late obama, you left a man behind to die in benghazi, that shows the us under an obama government is a joke. Nuff said.

russia says american evidence on syria 'inconclusive' - abc news (http://abcnews.go.com/international/russia-american-evidence-syria-inconclusive/story?id=20133916)

Да товарЩ!

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 04:11 PM
Да товарЩ!

Bulgarian ??

Соединенные Штаты больше не является мировой державой.

они должны придерживаться вопросах дома и не из других .стран дела.

Обама обезьяна с гранатой.

Goober
Sep 3rd, 2013, 04:41 PM
Awesome!! ShintoMale.

Obama drew a line in the sand, so now he has to try and prove the USA is not weak... to late Obama, you left a man behind to die in Benghazi, that shows the US under an Obama government is a joke. nuff said.

Russia Says American Evidence on Syria 'Inconclusive' - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-american-evidence-syria-inconclusive/story?id=20133916)

So are you in favor of targeted bombing as Obama calls it?
A yes or a no is sufficient.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 05:02 PM
So are you in favor of targeted bombing as Obama calls it?
A yes or a no is sufficient.

NO!!

No bombing at all. The US should not be interfering in Syria at all.. that includes aiding the Al Qaeda Rebels ..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0HqCWG171g

I'm with Ron Paul!!

JLM
Sep 3rd, 2013, 05:22 PM
So are you in favor of targeted bombing as Obama calls it?
A yes or a no is sufficient.

A "yes" is not sufficient, but is desirable as long as the instigators can be annihilated without ANY harm to innocent citizens!

Goober
Sep 3rd, 2013, 05:59 PM
A "yes" is not sufficient, but is desirable as long as the instigators can be annihilated without ANY harm to innocent citizens!

Better pick No then. Is anyone sure of who the Instigators are. And who really cares.
Google Congo Wars- Over 6 million.

Spade
Sep 3rd, 2013, 06:28 PM
Goober, you forgot to bold "instigators" as we don't know who they are.

Response to U.S. administration, other governments referring to MSF statement of Aug. 24: MSF Canada (http://www.msf.ca/news-media/news/2013/08/response-to-us-administration-other-governments-referring-to-msf-statement-of-aug-24/)

JLM
Sep 3rd, 2013, 06:50 PM
Goober, you forgot to bold "instigators" as we don't know who they are.

Response to U.S. administration, other governments referring to MSF statement of Aug. 24: MSF Canada (http://www.msf.ca/news-media/news/2013/08/response-to-us-administration-other-governments-referring-to-msf-statement-of-aug-24/)

"Instigators" was a poor choice of words on my part, "perpetrators" is what I should have said!

Goober
Sep 3rd, 2013, 06:58 PM
"Instigators" was a poor choice of words on my part, "perpetrators" is what I should have said!
500- 1500 - why should the West become involved????????
Read this link.
Second Congo War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War)

Goober, you forgot to bold "instigators" as we don't know who they are.

Response to U.S. administration, other governments referring to MSF statement of Aug. 24: MSF Canada (http://www.msf.ca/news-media/news/2013/08/response-to-us-administration-other-governments-referring-to-msf-statement-of-aug-24/)
The French made a clearer disclosure on evidence than the US.

BaalsTears
Sep 3rd, 2013, 07:37 PM
Where would be the win in fighting any war in the ME?
...

1. Don't go to war unless one's life depends on it.

2. If one goes to war one must win.

3. In order to win one must be prepared to do whatever is required to win including killing all of the enemy to the last man, women and child.

4. If one is not prepared to do such things one must avoid war at all costs.

5. Hulagu Khan showed the way to successfully wage war against people in the Middle East. Baghdad never recovered from the siege of 1258 CE.

Those who now support Obama's new war in Syria will later be called upon to account for their lack of judgment and ignorance. They stand as guarantors of Obama's folly.

Goober
Sep 3rd, 2013, 07:39 PM
1. Don't go to war unless one's life depends on it.

2. If one goes to war one must win.

3. In order to win one must be prepared to do whatever is required to win including killing all of the enemy to the last man, women and child.

4. If one is not prepared to do such things one must avoid war at all costs.

5. Hulagu Khan showed the way to successfully wage war against people in the Middle East. Baghdad never recovered from the siege of 1258 CE.

On our winter vacations I have been reading historical novels about the Mongols. That said I am aware of the empire from actual historical accounts.
Genghis Khan. From nothing to an empire.

BaalsTears
Sep 3rd, 2013, 07:48 PM
On our winter vacations I have been reading historical novels about the Mongols. That said I am aware of the empire from actual historical accounts.
Genghis Khan. From nothing to an empire.

Sometimes great men and women can transform the transient advantage of a people to give them temporary superiority over other peoples. What is an advantage at a given moment changes over time as the random correlation of forces changes. So it was with the zeitgeist of the Mongol people, the recurved composite bow, and hardy ponies. The same pattern reappears throughout history.

The Mongols were sufficiently ruthless and tactically innovative enough to deal with all of the Middle Eastern peoples, plus the Afghans. Only the Japanese encountered the Mongols without being defeated.

hunboldt
Sep 3rd, 2013, 07:52 PM
Awesome!! ShintoMale.

Obama drew a line in the sand, so now he has to try and prove the USA is not weak... to late Obama, you left a man behind to die in Benghazi, that shows the US under an Obama government is a joke. nuff said.

Russia Says American Evidence on Syria 'Inconclusive' - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-american-evidence-syria-inconclusive/story?id=20133916)

frankly Boom- he doesn't have to prove anything. If necessary, the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, the Saudis, and the Gulf states can roll up Assad from the south with American air suppression.

Benghazi was ' poop happens'.'|Let Putin handle it. Worked for Brezhnev in the 'Ghan in1979...

petros
Sep 3rd, 2013, 07:56 PM
Someone is definitely asleep at the switch, gas prices haven't budged here in over a week!
You're paying with higher prices on everything else with a lower dollar and higher logistics.

darkbeaver
Sep 3rd, 2013, 09:21 PM
Who is their Jihad against? 'Merica or Israel?

Tell me what another brotherhood nation bordering Israel would be like for Israel?

A f*cking bonus?

Where do you find Anti-Semitism in my comment now?

I can point that out for ya, you have used the word border you anti semite you.

B00Mer
Sep 3rd, 2013, 10:29 PM
frankly Boom- he doesn't have to prove anything. If necessary, the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, the Saudis, and the Gulf states can roll up Assad from the south with American air suppression.

Benghazi was ' poop happens'.'|Let Putin handle it. Worked for Brezhnev in the 'Ghan in1979...

Huh, yeah maybe so if it were not for the 9,000 troops moved into Syria by Russia and China, not to mention tanks, arms and a few ships from Russia currently, China is sending 2 war ships..

They will have the US ships pegged between Syria and their ships..

Hope those cruise missiles don't hit Russian and Chineese troops.. ;)

Russia sends ‘tens of thousands’ of troops to Syria | The Sun |News|Politics (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4965069/Russia-sends-tens-of-thousands-of-troops-to-Syria.html)

Iran Sends 4,000 Troops To Aid Syria's Assad | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-16/iran-sends-4000-troops-aid-syrias-assad)

WW3 Russia,China, Iran Send 90000 Troops to Syria - 12 Warships - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3OahYkV0j8)

WWIII bring it on... population control ..

I think the USA (Obama War Machine) is about to get its knuckles rapped, and Russia, China, Iran and Syria will draw a red line in the sand for the USA..