The Big Bang Theory....Simplified?

darkbeaver
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requires
serious attention.
Herein, it is important to give a clarification of Crothers’
solution from the viewpoint of a theoretical physicist whose
professional field is the General Theory of Relativity. The
historical aspect of the black hole problem will not be discussed
as this has been suciently addressed in the scientific
literature and, especially, in a historical review [3]. The
technical details of Crothers’ solution will also not be reanalyzed:
his calculations were reviewed by many professional
relativists prior to publication in Progress in Physics. These
reviewers had a combined forty years of professional employment
in this field and it is thus extremely unlikely that a formal
error exists within Crothers’ work. Rather, our attention
will be focused only upon clarification of the new result in
comparison to the classical solution in Schwarzschild space.
In other words, the main objective is to answer the question:
what have Abrams and Crothers achieved?
In this letter,--

Gravitational collapse
as the ultimate condition in Scwarzschild space leads to black
holes outside a real physical space, with the consequence that
the black hole solution in Schwarzschild space has no real
meaning (despite the fact that it can be formally obtained).
Mathematical curiosities are always interesting, but if these
things have no real meaning, then one must make it clear in
the end. Consequently, the current mathematical treatment
of black holes in Schwarzschild space does not have physical
validity in nature, as Crothers explains.

(so there are no black holes in physical space which in my thinking also eliminates the singularity of the Big Bang)DB


--

the myth of the big bang with pictures

“It seems likely that red-shift may not be
due to an expanding Universe, and much
of the speculations on the structure of the
universe may require reexamination.”
Edwin Hubble 1947

(the big bang is science fraud taught as reality) DB
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Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

What i dont get is they say the universe is expanding. I dont really understand

What i dont understand is it the vacuum of space expanding ahead of the galaxies? Or is the vacuum of space limitless and the universe(galaxies) just hasnt spread to out there yet?
Is the farthest galaxy the edge of the universe?
If were expanding and it all happened from one point why do galaxies collide into each other? Wouldnt they all move outward, and not into each other?


What if we just dont have the equipment to see past the universe event horizon.... And if there are galaxies past this point would the big bang theory be wrong? Wouldnt the existence of glaxaies outside the limit we can see refute the age of the universe being 13 billion years old?

I love reading about space and ive become really knowledgable(but far from an expert) about it... I just refuse to believe that the universe is in the shape of a big cone. I have this really good instinct and it tells me that the big bang theory is just too smooth.and will be replaced by a totally different model. Kinda like how lord kelvin was beaten out by radioactive dating
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darkbeaver
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Mornin Johnny, time is a concept to describe the distance between events. It is not fixed by anything but celestial position. Position is subject to change, very often rapid change. So the length of an hour a day a minute all are subject change. To say that anything has existed for 13 billion years based on non existent fixed positions is meaningless in my opinion. The introduction of the electromagnetic basis of space cancels time fixations all together. Nothing can resist the adjustments of plasma. Artifact dating especially. Of course I am a simple minded chicken farmer incapable of higher thinking so you have to take my cannabis fueled ranting with a box of salt.
 
Johnnny
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To say that anything has existed for 13 billion years based on non existent fixed positions is meaningless in my opinion.

See thats what i think too cause they say the universie is expanding from a point in space... What point ?where is this point? How do they know the location of this point? If galaxies are moving away from each other why are we on a collision course with the andromeda galaxy? Or do only galaxy clusters more out away from each other?
 
Cliffy
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If atomic structures are similar in constitution as solar systems, then it is possible that galaxies are similar to molecular structures. Galaxy clusters could be cellular structures, etc, etc. Perhaps the Universe is the body of a giant being and we are just a tiny speck on a proton within that body. Kinda makes one humble. Kinda makes our speculations somewhat of a joke - so much mental masturbation.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

If atomic structures are similar in constitution as solar systems, then it is possible that galaxies are similar to molecular structures. Galaxy clusters could be cellular structures, etc, etc. Perhaps the Universe is the body of a giant being and we are just a tiny speck on a proton within that body. Kinda makes one humble. Kinda makes our speculations somewhat of a joke - so much mental masturbation.

They only appear to be like our solar system. If it were the same to scale we'd be one helluva lot farther from the sun than we are now.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

They only appear to be like our solar system. If it were the same to scale we'd be one helluva lot farther from the sun than we are now.

True, but has anybody actually seen an atom or have we only speculated on their structure mathematically? The point is that we can only see from our perspective, so any conclusions we draw are purely speculative at best and who judges which speculation is more accurate to another?
 
eh1eh
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The entire universe you perceive is contained within one atom of another beings coffee table.
Look, don't make me resort to the Carl Sagan explanation again. Jeez, that guy just couldn't make it simple enough for most people. He tried his best though.
 
darkbeaver
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Halton Arp received his bachelors degree from Harvard College in 1949 and his Ph.D. from the California Institute of Technology in 1953, both cum laude. For 29 years he was a staff astronomer at the Observatories known originally as the Mt. Wilson and Palomar Observatories.
A recognized expert observer of quasars and galaxies, Arp is the author of the Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies and numerous scholarly publications. Consequently, he has hundreds of galaxies named after him. With Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies and this book he is now famous for being the new Galileo of astronomy with his redshift findings. He has been awarded the Helen B. Warner prize of the American Astronomical Society and the Newcomb Cleveland award of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He was president of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific 1980 to 1983 and received the Alexander von Humboldt Senior Scientist Award in 1884. He is currently at the Max-Planck-Institute for Physics and Astrophysics in Munich, Germany.

Now we have a situation where new facts are judged by whether they fit old theories. If they do not, they are condemned with the judgment:
"There is no way of explaining these observations, so they cannot be true."
That encourages the dissident to come up with an explanation of how it could be true. It disagrees with convention. Then the jaws of the trap spring shut and the theory labeled:
"....prima facie evidence that the proponent is a crackpot and the evidence is false."
This, then, is the crisis for the reasonable members of the profession. With so many alternative, contradictory theories, many of them fitting the evidence very badly, abandoning the accepted theory is a frightening step into chaos. At this point, I believe we must look for salvation from the non-specialists, amateurs and interdisciplinary thinkers—those who form judgments on the general thrust of the evidence, those who are skeptical about any explanation, particularly official ones, and above all are tolerant of other people's theories. (When the complete answer is not known, in a sense every-one is a crackpot—Gasp!).--

  • observations showing that extragalactic redshifts are NOT caused by an expanding universe
  • An empirical picture of the birth and evolution of quasars and galaxies
  • An account of crucial observations ignored and suppressed
  • Examples of how academic science fails its ideals and potential
 
petros
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Friday January 28, 2011

The Universe

Matt Galloway spoke with Gil Holder, he is the Canada Research Chair in Cosmological Astro-physics. Tonight he will be speaking at asymposium called, -- .
-- (runs 5:12)

http://www.cbc.ca/metromorning/episodes/2011/01/28/the-universe/
 

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