The hurricane may start as a sandstorm.


eanassir
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The hurricane may start as a sandstorm


Part 1


The hurricane may start in the desert, and then strengthen at the ocean. "The desert is its mother (that delivers it) and the ocean is its father (that grows and strengthens it.")
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Others say the opposite: that the sandstorms of the African Sahara may depress the hurricane formation: i.e. the sand particles may suppress the formation of the hurricane.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2007/inside_hurricanes.html

The tribe of Aad:
They were exterminated, by the hurricane, before the Islam; they dwelt near Yemen in a sand hills region; their main city was called Erum; their houses were strongly constructed with stones, and the columns were erected for their houses.

God – be glorified – sent them an apostle: Hood, who invited them to serve God alone, and to desert their idols, but they rejected him; so God loosed on them some stormy winds that lasted seven nights and eight days until they were totally exterminated.

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 69: 6-8

وَأَمَّا عَادٌ فَأُهْلِكُوا بِرِيحٍ صَرْصَرٍ عَاتِيَةٍ . سَخَّرَهَا عَلَيْهِمْ سَبْعَ لَيَالٍ وَثَمَانِيَةَ أَيَّامٍ حُسُومًا فَتَرَى الْقَوْمَ فِيهَا صَرْعَى كَأَنَّهُمْ أَعْجَازُ نَخْلٍ خَاوِيَةٍ . فَهَلْ تَرَى لَهُم مِّن بَاقِيَةٍ

The explanation:
(And as for Aad: they were exterminated by a "cold roaring" stormy wind.

That He made to rage against them for seven nights and eight days;

and which cut [the trees and palms] like [the cutting of the sword];

so that you might see the people lying [dead on the ground], as if they were hollow stems of palm-trees.

And can you see any of them left surviving!? [No, they all perished.] )

The stages of the hurricane of Aad:
  • It may have started as a sandstorm.
  • Then its speed started to increase.
  • It outstripped - with its speed - the horse, the deer and every creature on earth.
  • When it came and they saw it from a far distance, it looked like a cloud.
  • It carried coldness, and had a roaring sound.
  • It ripped through the land.
  • It plucked the people from their homes and hiding places and cast them dead some distance away.
  • It destroyed every thing: their crops and their property and themselves.
  • People of the disbelievers were exterminated, and their [strongly-constructed stony] homes only were spared.
  • The hurricane lasted seven nights and eight days, and it exterminated the disbelievers.
God threatened the idolater of Mecca: if they do not believe in Him as One God and in His apostle Mohammed; He will loose against them the storms, and will destroy them as had He exterminated the tribe of Aad with the hurricanes.

The wind minnows the hay and scatters the dust.

This is in the Quran 51: 1-4

وَالذَّارِيَاتِ ذَرْوًا . فَالْحَامِلَاتِ وِقْرًا . فَالْجَارِيَاتِ يُسْرًا . فَالْمُقَسِّمَاتِ أَمْرًا

The explanation:
(1- By [those] scattering [winds, sent on Hood's people: the tribe of Aad,] that scattered!
2- And that bore the heavy load!
3- And that moved swiftly!
4- And [violently] parted the Am'r [: demons and souls!]
[If you [Meccans] believe not, We shall send on you such winds that will destroy you.] )

It mean here: it started as a wind that scattered the dust, then it grew stronger so that it carried the heavy loads, then it moved swiftly; so that it cast away the mighty genies (demons) with its strength and violence.

Other ayat, some of which I mention here may bear much knowledge about the hurricane and its development:

eanassir
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Last edited by eanassir; Sep 12th, 2008 at 08:23 AM..
 
Tonington
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What's that new sub-forum? Alternate theories and hypotheses? Or is it pseudo-science something-or-other?

Anyway, that's where this belongs.

Edit: And part 2
 
missile
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Geez! I had been wondering whatever became of poor old Aad. If only he had listened. Tsk!
 
eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

What's that new sub-forum? Alternate theories and hypotheses? Or is it pseudo-science something-or-other?

Anyway, that's where this belongs.

Edit: And part 2

You say so because you don't like it; although you know very well it is the truth from the Lord of nations and worlds. What shall I say to you: this is your fortune: a loser.
 
eanassir
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Geez! I had been wondering whatever became of poor old Aad. If only he had listened. Tsk!


Your hissing cannot conceal the truth.
 
missile
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Don't fret the hisses pal...watch out for my fangs
 
eanassir
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Don't fret the hisses pal...watch out for my fangs

You are worthy of your evil; your fangs be against you, by the might of God.
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

God – be glorified – sent them an apostle: Hood, who invited them to serve God alone, and to desert their idols, but they rejected him; so God loosed on them some stormy winds that lasted seven nights and eight days until they were totally exterminated.

Nice. The messenger fails to convince people so god kills everybody. And this is Allah the Merciful? That's beneath contempt.
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

You say so because you don't like it; although you know very well it is the truth from the Lord of nations and worlds. What shall I say to you: this is your fortune: a loser.

I say so, because I know better.

A hurricane forms from a low pressure system that is already rotating. Warm moist air is sucked up into the thunder head. The tropical depression is evident by at least one closed isobar. As it moves across warmer waters, it sucks up more moist warm air and intensifies, provided that the wind shear doesn't chop off the top of the system, or impede the convection from surface waters up to the cloud level.

A dust storm is not even close to this. It's a wind front that moves across arid and semi-arid land. They don't form low pressure cells and they don't have cyclonic properties. It's dry air, and that kills hurricanes.

Dust storms suppress convection. That suppresses hurricane birthing. The two aren't related. Your nonsense ramblings don't belong in this sub-forum.
 
Scott Free
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I blame butterflies!!!!
 
mabudon
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If you needed a hocus-pocus explanation, aren't there and, like, cooler things you could attribute this to, like some kind of viking storm god or tiki-type thing??

THAT I could get behind
 
darkbeaver
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Great stories EA, I like the old traditions and stories and I don't see why a hurricane shouldn't start as a sandstorm.
 
eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Great stories EA, I like the old traditions and stories and I don't see why a hurricane shouldn't start as a sandstorm.

DB, at last we too are going to be a story and a history.
The stories of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismael, Jacob and Joseph were before Moses; and God revealed these stories to Moses, so his people wrote these stories in the Torah; then these stories were revealed once again to Mohammed and they wrote them in the book of the Quran; so they became a deuteronomy: means repeated in the Quran; they include terrible lessons to believers.
Other stories like Aad, Thamood in the Quran said to be mentioned in the papers of Abraham and Moses (included in the Genesis). Thamood name is mentioned in the present Genesis.
Other stories in the Quran (including terrible lessons) were: Shuaib, Sheba, Tubba'a and Pharaoh.

About the relation of the sandstorm to the hurricane; it is not mentioned lit. in the Quran, nor by the late interpreter; but the first aya 51: 1 that I cited and its ineterpretation:
وَالذَّارِيَاتِ ذَرْوًا
The explanation:
(1- By [those] scattering [winds, sent on Hood's people: the tribe of Aad,] that scattered!)

I thought may give such implication from the context of the following ayat. [Refer to the post.]
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eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Nice. The messenger fails to convince people so god kills everybody. And this is Allah the Merciful? That's beneath contempt.
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God is Most Gracious to believers and non-believers in this World, and is Most Merciful to believers only, on Judgment Day.
God is Most Merciful to believers, but He is Almighty and Terrible Avenger against disbelievers, associaters, idolaters and atheists.

It is not "the messenger fails to convince people", but those peoples were wrongdoers, did not deserve guidance; they see the truth before their eyes, but prefer to be stubborn deniers and insisted on lying; the messenger (or the apostle came to warn them of the consequence of their idolatry, but they were arrogant and did not yield to the evidence and miracles done before their eyes; but they said all this is a sorcery and magic, and the apostle was a liar; that is because of their wrongdoing of each other and wronging their own selves.

God did not kill everybody; but He saved the believers: the monotheists, and killed the disbelievers and the idolaters.

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eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

I say so, because I know better.

A hurricane forms from a low pressure system that is already rotating. Warm moist air is sucked up into the thunder head. The tropical depression is evident by at least one closed isobar. As it moves across warmer waters, it sucks up more moist warm air and intensifies, provided that the wind shear doesn't chop off the top of the system, or impede the convection from surface waters up to the cloud level.

A dust storm is not even close to this. It's a wind front that moves across arid and semi-arid land. They don't form low pressure cells and they don't have cyclonic properties. It's dry air, and that kills hurricanes.

Dust storms suppress convection. That suppresses hurricane birthing. The two aren't related. Your nonsense ramblings don't belong in this sub-forum.

You don't know better; only you know some part of the subject.
Go and see what researches and studies they are doing and studying.
I said at the start of the post that there are two opinions: some agree to this idea, and others refuse it.
I don't insist on the idea that the hurricane starts as a sandstorm; refer to my above reply to Darkbeaver on this page.

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Scott Free
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Hey eanassir! Back from brainwashing school?
 
eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post



butterflies!!!!

This scene may be similar to the "gathering-together" for the Judgment, which will be in the space of the broken up solar system on Doomsday.
This is in the Quran 101: 4
يَوْمَ يَكُونُ النَّاسُ كَالْفَرَاشِ الْمَبْثُوثِ
The explanation:
(The day when people shall be like scattered moths.)

In the Quran, this also is likened to the locusts swarms flying in the sky; but I don't think you may have such a picture!

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Scott Free
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I guess that means yes?
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

You don't know better; only you know some part of the subject.
Go and see what researches and studies they are doing and studying.
I said at the start of the post that there are two opinions: some agree to this idea, and others refuse it.
I don't insist on the idea that the hurricane starts as a sandstorm; refer to my above reply to Darkbeaver on this page.

eanassir
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Neither one of those links implicated dust storms. They said, the same as I did, that hurricanes start from thunderstorms. Sand storms are not thunder storms.

Did you not read the articles you linked to?

A quote:
Quote:

The layer is a mass of very dry, dusty air that forms over the Sahara Desert and influences the development of tropical cyclones, the general name given to tropical depressions, storms and hurricanes. Budding hurricanes in the tropical Atlantic off the African coast often rapidly deteriorate when they interact with this stable air mass and its strong winds.

Starting in the dessert, as you put it, is false. The storms which become hurricanes are the result of the change in the Saharan circulation, when monsoons move in to replace the predominant dry air currents that make dust storms. Those are not dust storms, and they don't begin in the dessert. Those begin over water.

Go to your local library and do some real research.
 
eanassir
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The hurricane may start in the desert and strengthen on the ocean.
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s_lone
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Eanassir

You are wrong about hurricanes... They are triggered by cosmic rays from Jupiter. It says so in the Holy Scriptures of Nebadon transmitted by His Divinity Ashtar Sheran.

You are lucky Ashtar is only amused by people like you!
 
eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post



butterflies!!!!

The gathering-together of people on Judgment Day is a terrible scene; as expounded in the aya 54: 7

خُشَّعًا أَبْصَارُهُمْ يَخْرُجُونَ مِنَ الْأَجْدَاثِ كَأَنَّهُمْ جَرَادٌ مُّنتَشِرٌ

The explanation:
(With humbled eyesights, they will come forth from graves [fissures and subterranean vaults] like locusts scattered abroad.)

When we see the locust swarms: the locust flying in the air will outstretch its two long legs behind it, and will generally appear like a naked man. People will be assembled or gathered together for the Day of Judgment, in their multitude, and will be naked, and flying in the space [: souls] will be like the locust swarms.

The gathering-together or the assembly will be in the space of the broken-up solar system.
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Another similarity; the people will be like the scattered moths [around the lamp]; so the souls will be in the space of the broken-up planets, and will be around the new sun that will appear in that scene, just like how the moths fly and are scattered around the lamp. See the aya at my last reply on page 1.



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darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

DB, at last we too are going to be a story and a history.
The stories of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismael, Jacob and Joseph were before Moses; and God revealed these stories to Moses, so his people wrote these stories in the Torah; then these stories were revealed once again to Mohammed and they wrote them in the book of the Quran; so they became a deuteronomy: means repeated in the Quran; they include terrible lessons to believers.
Other stories like Aad, Thamood in the Quran said to be mentioned in the papers of Abraham and Moses (included in the Genesis). Thamood name is mentioned in the present Genesis.
Other stories in the Quran (including terrible lessons) were: Shuaib, Sheba, Tubba'a and Pharaoh.
About the relation of the sandstorm to the hurricane; it is not mentioned lit. in the Quran, nor by the late interpreter; but the first aya 51: 1 that I cited and its ineterpretation:
وَالذَّارِيَاتِ ذَرْوًاThe explanation:
(1- By [those] scattering [winds, sent on Hood's people: the tribe of Aad,] that scattered!)

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Goodday EA. It's a very good thing that some reliable men in the past took the time to remember the stories of thier grandparents and thier grandparents, all over this planet similar histories with similar scenes and similar lessons, some remembered better than others some commited to stone and monumental architecture and science. We have a largely undiscovered past which we must catch up to if we are to have a future, I rekon.
Do you like chicken?
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

It is not "the messenger fails to convince people", but those peoples were wrongdoers, did not deserve guidance

So why did god try to send them guidance? He must have known it was pointless anyway. Was he just looking for an excuse to kill everybody that people like you would approve of? The logic of such religious belief doesn't make any sense.

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God did not kill everybody

Don't you understand even what your own posts say? You quite clearly said, twice, that he killed off--exterminated was the word you used-- the entire tribe, i.e. everybody, for rejecting his messenger.
 
eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Goodday EA. It's a very good thing that some reliable men in the past took the time to remember the stories of thier grandparents and thier grandparents, all over this planet similar histories with similar scenes and similar lessons, some remembered better than others some commited to stone and monumental architecture and science. We have a largely undiscovered past which we must catch up to if we are to have a future, I rekon.
Do you like chicken?

Goodday DB,
I gave them this link:
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but they do not contemplate.

The past is related to the present; don't they see what hurricanes are doing? And they cannot do anything other than to flee their homes; last week 2 million people were evacuated being terrified of the hurricanes, and now about one million are to be evacuated for the fear of a new hurricane.

It doesn't matter whether the hurricane starts at the sea or in the desert; but see what harm it is doing to people according to their sins and disobeying God Almighty; of course they say it is only a natural thing! But why such natural thing come in severe way or in mild way? I watched the last hurricane threatening Luisiana, and surprised: aren't there anyone supplicates God and pray Him to divert this danger; then I read in the Yahoo news a citizen said: "We put our trust in God, and we have our faith in God." and I expected it will pass peacefully, and it was as such.

Send us some of your chicken, and I send you some of our Kubba
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eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

So why did god try to send them guidance? He must have known it was pointless anyway. Was he just looking for an excuse to kill everybody that people like you would approve of? The logic of such religious belief doesn't make any sense.

Anyway He will kill them altogether; i.e. God is Omnipotent over His servants; none can escape the death; people are created for the next everlasting world, not for this transitory and temporary life.
God sends them the apostles, so that they will not say: "We were heedless of this Judgment Day and this afterlife and this monotheism; had You sent us an apostle, we should have been rightly guided and become righteous servants."
This is in the Quran 20: 134

وَلَوْ أَنَّا أَهْلَكْنَاهُم بِعَذَابٍ مِّن قَبْلِهِ لَقَالُوا رَبَّنَا لَوْلَا أَرْسَلْتَ إِلَيْنَا رَسُولًا فَنَتَّبِعَ آيَاتِكَ مِن قَبْلِ أَن نَّذِلَّ وَنَخْزَى

The explanation:
(Had We destroyed them with a punishment before this [sending of Mohammed and revealing the Quran] , they would have said: "Our Lord, if only You had sent to us a messenger, we should certainly have followed Your revelations before we were humbled [following our death] and put to shame [in the afterlife].")

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Don't you understand even what your own posts say? You quite clearly said, twice, that he killed off--exterminated was the word you used-- the entire tribe, i.e. everybody, for rejecting his messenger.

God does not wrong people (because He is Almighty; none can touch Him with any harm, and He does not need to do any wrong); but it is people who do wrong their own selves by oppressing each other and transgressing on the right of the weak; God does not like the wrong-doer and will not guide him.

When the punishment comes it will afflict the wrong-doers who are idolaters, associaters and atheists; the monotheists and believers will have been saved before the coming of that punishment (but sometimes all the believers and the disbelievers are involved in the punishment; in case the believers are silent about the evil and transgression and the association with God.)


This is in the Quran 40: 22

ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ كَانَت تَّأْتِيهِمْ رُسُلُهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَكَفَرُوا فَأَخَذَهُمُ اللَّهُ إِنَّهُ قَوِيٌّ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ

The explanation:
(That [seizing and destruction] was because their messengers brought to them the evident [proofs], but they unbelieved [them],
so God seized them [with punishment]; for He is Mighty and Severe at punishment.)


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Scott Free
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

The gathering-together of people on Judgment Day is a terrible scene; as expounded in the aya 54: 7
خُشَّعًا أَبْصَارُهُمْ يَخْرُجُونَ مِنَ الْأَجْدَاثِ كَأَنَّهُمْ جَرَادٌ مُّنتَشِرٌ
The explanation:
(With humbled eyesights, they will come forth from graves [fissures and subterranean vaults] like locusts scattered abroad.)
When we see the locust swarms: the locust flying in the air will outstretch its two long legs behind it, and will generally appear like a naked man. People will be assembled or gathered together for the Day of Judgment, in their multitude, and will be naked, and flying in the space [: souls] will be like the locust swarms.

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You do realize there is no connection to you knowing some bat sh!t crazy quotes about bugs and my having posted a picture of butterflies right?

The idea is that the flapping of butterfly wings could cause a hurricane. It's sort of a popular myth driven by a misunderstanding of chaos theory. I was making fun of that.
 
hermanntrude
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moved to alternate theories
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

This is in the Quran 20: 134 ...


This is in the Quran 40: 22...

Yeah, I'm sure every thought you've ever had is in the Quran somewhere. It'd be helpful if you'd actually try to respond with something relevant to the questions people ask you, and try to be consistent. You stated that god sent a messenger to the tribe of Aad, the tribe of Aad rejected the message, so god totally exterminated them. When I was critical of that as being unworthy of a merciful deity you denied that he'd killed them all, he's going to do that to the unrighteous only on judgment day, which clearly hasn't happened yet or I wouldn't be here either according to your understanding of the world, yet it's clear that god DID wipe out the tribe of Aad before judgment day according to your posts. And this is the omnipotent, omniscient Allah, he had to know the tribe of Aad would reject his messenger, and he also had to know that he could have sent a messenger who'd be successful, someone who could remove the scales from their eyes. I'm amazed that the utter illogic of your position hasn't driven you mad with cognitive dissonance. I don't understand how any thinking person can believe the nonsense you profess to believe.
 
eanassir
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

When I was critical of that as being unworthy of a merciful deity you denied that he'd killed them all, he's going to do that to the unrighteous only on judgment day, which clearly hasn't happened yet or I wouldn't be here either according to your understanding of the world, yet it's clear that god DID wipe out the tribe of Aad before judgment day according to your posts.


There has been some misunderstanding, may be because of my trial to summarize; anyhow:
  • When the punishment of the extermination comes, it does not involve the believers together with the apostle; they will be saved: they depart from that region and are safe.

This is in the Quran 11: 58-60
وَلَمَّا جَاء أَمْرُنَا نَجَّيْنَا هُودًا وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ مَعَهُ بِرَحْمَةٍ مِّنَّا وَنَجَّيْنَاهُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ غَلِيظٍ . وَتِلْكَ عَادٌ جَحَدُواْ بِآيَاتِ رَبِّهِمْ وَعَصَوْاْ رُسُلَهُ وَاتَّبَعُواْ أَمْرَ كُلِّ جَبَّارٍ عَنِيدٍ . وَأُتْبِعُواْ فِي هَذِهِ الدُّنْيَا لَعْنَةً وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ أَلا إِنَّ عَادًا كَفَرُواْ رَبَّهُمْ أَلاَ بُعْدًا لِّعَادٍ قَوْمِ هُودٍ
The explanation:
(And when Our commandment [to exterminate them] came to pass, We saved Hood and those who believed with him by a mercy from Us and saved them from a harsh doom.

That was Aad; they denied the signs of their Lord, and rebelled against His messengers and followed the command of every forward tyrant.

And they were followed by a curse in this World and in the Hereafter; for – indeed – Aad disbelieved in their Lord, so away with Aad, the people of Hood.)
  • In the everyday practice, God's mercy involves the disbelievers in addition to the believers: both of them have much of God's grace and mercy.
  • When a general affliction of the community settles as a punishment (other than the extermination punishment):

>> In case the believers are silent about the mischief and wrong-doing and association with God that is prevalent in the community; such silent believers may be involved in the punishment and the affliction.

>> But if they forbid the evil, wrong-doing and the association with God; almost they will be saved.
  • All this is in this World, while on Judgment Day it is evident that the disbelievers will lose and be punished, but the believers who worked righteousness will prosper.


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