How can we detect what happened before the Big Bang?


socratus
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How can we detect what happened before the Big Bang?
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Scientists say that before the “big bang” was nothing: neither
space nor time. In my opinion when we say “space”, “time”
we must define more precisely. We must define more precisely
that we are talk about “gravity-space” and “gravity-time”.
Is my opinion correct?
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First - SRT. (1905)
a)
Take SRT the theory without gravity.
This theory doesn’t have “gravity-space” and “gravity-time”.
This theory has “spacetime”- other names:
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space.
In my opinion all these words hide one true word: vacuum.
b)
One SRT postulate says that the speed of light is constant in vacuum
because the laws of electricity and magnetism predict that light travels
at c = 2.998×108 m/s in a vacuum. But scientists did not specify the
frame of reference in which light had this speed. Therefore was invented
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space – all
these words are different names of vacuum.
Vacuum is reference frame for speed of quantum of light and SRT.
(we still don’t know what vacuum is)

Second – GRT. (1915)
Take GRT the theory about gravity.
The gravity masses somehow changed the surrounded “spacetime”
and create “gravity-space” and “gravity-time”.
There aren’t “space” and “time” without gravity.

Third – The prove.
You can detect my opinion in our Earth referent frame.
How? Try to live without “gravity-space” and “gravity-time”.
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Astronauts can live in satellite without “gravity-space” and “gravity-time”
only because they have artificial air. Without artificial air this satellite
is flying coffin. We can live on natural / artificial cosmic satellite /planet
Earth only because Earth has own gravity-space- air and gravity-time.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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lone wolf
#2
Ask Jim Parsons....
 
taxslave
+1
#3
Jump in the time machine and go look.
 
Ludlow
#4
Who gives a shyt anywho?
 
MHz
#5
How about we take the current expansion as we know it in the past and in the future and the time before the big bang was the reverse of the expansion with the exception of the beginning because the universe has not reached it's final stage of being so large matter cannot clump together to form even a single star.

15 billion years along on a fate that will be 40b years long eventually.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Jump in the time machine and go look.

I'm pretty sure if I ever found one I would never leave it out of my sight.
 
socratus
#6
Once more.
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Before BB was no space and no time.
The situation “no space and no time” have only
one reference frame -- vacuum. Vacuum has different names:
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space.
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Before BB was “singular point”.
This “singular point” has masses.
Where did these masses come from?
The answer can be only one. These masses came from vacuum.
These masses came from cold zero vacuum. Therefor in the
beginning the “singular point“ wasn’t hot. In the beginning the
“singular point” was cold. Very cold. Question: How did the
temperature arise from zero vacuum to the star’s conditions?
This process I explained in the article:
Star formation. / scheme by Israel Sadovnik Socratus /
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socratus
#7
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum, that endless infinite void.
Nothingness of Space Could Illuminate the Theory of Everything | DiscoverMagazine.com (external - login to view)

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Mowich
#8
when the next revolution rocks psychics, I would hope it is an announcement that they finally solved cold fusion - or do I have my sciences mixed up?
 
darkbeaver
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by socratusView Post

When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum, that endless infinite void.
Nothingness of Space Could Illuminate the Theory of Everything | DiscoverMagazine.com (external - login to view)

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I can see nothing in your vaccum hypothosis. Nothing exists you say. If you're drinking I will help you, if not, off you go amongst the flowers, you are consumed by nothing, it duz not exist, can't be eatin, low cal we would starve and wither

The big bang is sacrelgious nonsence cobbled together by weasels with creds, this was always here,
 
Angstrom
+1
#10
It's like asking what was before birth.

Like a baby at conception. The womb feeds it. So the same for our univers it's mother nurtured it. It's very simple really.
 
darkbeaver
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

It's like asking what was before birth.

Like a baby at conception. The womb feeds it. So the same for our univers it's mother nurtured it. It's very simple really.

You're a smart young person ain't you?? You are our future, god bless you
 
Colpy
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..........what happened before the Big Bang?



Great foreplay?


(Sorry, I'll let myself out)
 
socratus
#13
Dark energy may be vacuum
Dark energy may be vacuum | EurekAlert! Science News (external - login to view)
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A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
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A "black hole" has a temperature of only one ten-millionth of
a degree above absolute zero. Book: "The theory of everything”
by Stephen Hawking.The difference is so slight that I can say
"black hole" and "vacuum" have the same equal temperature: T=0K.
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Astronomers have found an enormous hole in the Universe,
nearly a billion light-years across, empty of both normal matter
such as stars, galaxies, and gas, and the mysterious, unseen "dark matter."
Astronomers Find Enormous Hole in the Universe (external - login to view)
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Scientists searching for an explanation for an unusually cool area
of sky instead discovered a super void: an empty spherical
blob 1.8 billion light years across . . .
Astronomers discover largest known structure in the universe is ... a big hole | Science | The Guardian (external - login to view)
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In my opinion this “astronomical hole” is Zero Vacuum.
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“For though all creatures under heaven are the products of Being,
Being itself is the product of Not-Being. "
/ chapter. 40, Tao Te Ching /
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In my opinion the Lao Tzu “Not-Being" is zero vacuum: T=0K.
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Angstrom
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

..........what happened before the Big Bang?



Great foreplay?


(Sorry, I'll let myself out)

lol I hope, multiple of orgasm too lol
 
Curious Cdn
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by socratusView Post

Dark energy may be vacuum
Dark energy may be vacuum | EurekAlert! Science News (external - login to view)
#
A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
#
A "black hole" has a temperature of only one ten-millionth of
a degree above absolute zero. Book: "The theory of everything”
by Stephen Hawking.The difference is so slight that I can say
"black hole" and "vacuum" have the same equal temperature: T=0K.
#
Astronomers have found an enormous hole in the Universe,
nearly a billion light-years across, empty of both normal matter
such as stars, galaxies, and gas, and the mysterious, unseen "dark matter."
Astronomers Find Enormous Hole in the Universe (external - login to view)
#
Scientists searching for an explanation for an unusually cool area
of sky instead discovered a super void: an empty spherical
blob 1.8 billion light years across . . .
Astronomers discover largest known structure in the universe is ... a big hole | Science | The Guardian (external - login to view)
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In my opinion this “astronomical hole” is Zero Vacuum.
#
“For though all creatures under heaven are the products of Being,
Being itself is the product of Not-Being. "
/ chapter. 40, Tao Te Ching /
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In my opinion the Lao Tzu “Not-Being" is zero vacuum: T=0K.
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If "Dark Energy" is enegry, wouldn't it therefore have measurable mass when seen to be travelling below the speed of light and ... how can that be called vaccum or void ? ? ??
 
socratus
#16
Zero Vacuum itself is some kind of Infinite, “Negative - Dark Energy"
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darkbeaver
#17
There is no evidence for Dark energy or Dark matter or the Big bang each is theoretical fabrication of extreme speculation.

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Ludlow
#18
I guess there must be some reason for people to try and figure out the impossible. Exercise the old noggin maybe?
 
Curious Cdn
#19
My dear departed father used refer to conversations like this as "unscrewing the inscrutable".
 
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