Quantum particles and Aether.

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Quantum particles and Aether.
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Maybe you know that surrounding space ( areference frame )
makes influence on the objects that existthere.
For example, the fish in the water hasanother form than
animals which live in the forest or savanna.
The same is about quantum particles andaether.
Quantum particles exist in an Aether.
Thephysical parameters of aether is near to T=0K.
This thermodynamic condition has influenceon quantum particles.
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According to Charle’s law and theconsequence of the
third law of thermodynamics as thethermodynamic temperature
of a system approaches absolute zero thevolume of particles
approaches zero too. It means the particlesmust have flat forms.
They must have geometrical form of acircle: pi= c /d =3,14 . .
( All another geometrical forms : triangle,square, rectangle . . .etc
have angles and to create angles needforces,
without forces all geometrical forms mustturn into circle.)
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If physicists usestring-particle (particle that has length but
hasn’t thickness-volume) to understand reality
(and have some basicproblems to solve this task) then
why don’t usecircle-particle for this aim ?
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Without to understand what aether is alldebates is tautology.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
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socratus said:
We want to protect ourselves from too literally
and therefore vulgar comprehension.
/ Maybe scientific joke, maybe their motto /
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What I want to say?
I want to say that the creators of quantum physics
( Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, de Broglie, . . Feynman . . . and others )
wanted to understand the reality of quantum micro-world visually,
literally as in the classical physics, but , . . without success .
And today's physicists (creating many abstractions ) invented the slogan :
' We want to protectourselves from too literally
and thereforevulgar comprehension.'

Maybe this isscientific joke, maybe it is their motto but
from scientific pointof view our existence seems paradoxical.

Can the real and visual existence of everything around us
( or the beginning of existence of everything )
be paradoxical or it have logical explanation ?
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socratus said:
What I want to say?
I want to say that the creators of quantum physics
( Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, de Broglie, . . Feynman . . . and others )
wanted to understand the reality of quantum micro-world visually,
literally as in the classical physics, but , . . without success .
And today's physicists (creating many abstractions ) invented the slogan :
' We want to protectourselves from too literally
and thereforevulgar comprehension.'

Maybe this isscientific joke, maybe it is their motto but
from scientific pointof view our existence seems paradoxical.

Can the real and visual existence of everything around us
( or the beginning of existence of everything )
be paradoxical or it have logical explanation ?
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I guess human logic has material limits which compel us to seek spiritual illumination near the end of the meaty experience.
Our capacities for logic are not as great as the universes perhaps, especially while we are trapped in flesh.

Tecumsehsbones said:
Not particularly. What has his tenure to do with crazy?
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You think he's crazy because of your tenure.
 
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socratus said:


Maybe this isscientific joke, maybe it is their motto but
from scientific pointof view our existence seems paradoxical.

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It does indeed. Why is there something rather than nothing? Why does the universe go through all this bother of existing?

In the meantime, here we are--apparently--these brief, howling back eddies in the tide of entropy, clinging to the surface of an infinitesimal speck somewhere in the middle of the granddaddy of all explosions and going, "WTF, man? W-T-F?"
 
Dexter Sinister

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Zipperfish said:
It does indeed. Why is there something rather than nothing? Why does the universe go through all this bother of existing?
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Because, according to Victor Stenger at least, "nothing" is unstable at the quantum level and eventually turns itself into something. A more interesting question to me, and a harder one, is, why is there this particular something and not something else? String theory seems to be suggesting there could be as many as 10^500 different somethings and our particular something is but a bubble in a gigantic foam of universes with different laws of physics, which pretty much takes care of the argument from design, which is lame anyway, and the anthropic principle. Conscious life could arise only a bubble where the laws and constants permit it, otherwise it won't and there won't be anyone to ask such questions. An interesting idea, I find, but it amounts to saying, if things were different then things would be different, which isn't a very satisfactory explanation.


Zipperfish said:
In the meantime, here we are--apparently--these brief, howling back eddies in the tide of entropy, clinging to the surface of an infinitesimal speck somewhere in the middle of the granddaddy of all explosions and going, "WTF, man? W-T-F?"
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Nice turns of phrase, well put.

 
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darkbeaver said:
I guess human logic has material limits which compel us to seek spiritual illumination near the end of the meaty experience.
Our capacities for logic are not as great as the universes perhaps, especially while we are trapped in flesh.



You think he's crazy because of your tenure.
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Or her manure. :lol:
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
Because, according to Victor Stenger at least, "nothing" is unstable at the quantum level and eventually turns itself into something. A more interesting question to me, and a harder one, is, why is there this particular something and not something else? String theory seems to be suggesting there could be as many as 10^500 different somethings and our particular something is but a bubble in a gigantic foam of universes with different laws of physics, which pretty much takes care of the argument from design, which is lame anyway, and the anthropic principle. Conscious life could arise only a bubble where the laws and constants permit it, otherwise it won't and there won't be anyone to ask such questions. An interesting idea, I find, but it amounts to saying, if things were different then things would be different, which isn't a very satisfactory explanation.


Nice turns of phrase, well put.

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Thanks. from my blog, actually. :lol:

I would argue that string theory allows for, more than suggests, alternate universes based on different string formations.

There's a pretty goood argument to be made that we're a simulation too. I quite like that one.
 
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Is anything really real in a holographic universe? Are we just manifestations of our own imaginations? Does reality exist if we are not observing it? Can science ever recify the dicotomy of reality with or without an observer?
 
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darkbeaver said:
If it was nothing you wouldn't have asked the question.
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It is pure conscious energy. Physical reality is what I talking about. I think it is a group hallucination, a self aware programed cyborg able to convince itself it exists because it can observe itself. But is it only looking in a holographic mirror?
 
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