Alberta Surplus

Hank C Cheyenne

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Albertans to get $400 each from the province's burgeoning surplus cash
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at 22:46 on September 20, 2005, EST.

LETHBRIDGE, Alta. (CP) - Every man, woman and child in Alberta will get $400 from the province's unbudgeted surplus, the Alberta government announced Tuesday.

Premier Ralph Klein said the money, the result of burgeoning oil and gas wealth, will hopefully be distributed to the heads of households by the end of the year. Klein said the surplus cash will also flow into two other priority areas - infrastructure projects and various endowments.

Marisa Etmanski, a spokeswoman for the premier, said few details of those programs have been worked out yet.

As for the "give-it-back" portion, Etmanski noted it will not impact on expected natural gas rebates this year, nor will those on social assistance have their regular payments clawed back as a result of the bonus.

Etmanski said the money will not be subject to provincial taxes, though she added it has not yet been worked out with the federal government whether it can be exempt there, as well.

Not everyone was thrilled with the announcement, which emerged from a caucus meeting in Lethbridge.

"These cheques will mean some people can pay their heating bills but for other people it might mean a ski trip or a fancy dinner," said Liberal Leader Kevin Taft.

"It's a nice gesture, but at the end of the day we're still paying so much for gas I'm not sure it's a long-term solution," said Sheryl Savard.

Doug Gervan said he'd rather see the money spent to reduce income tax, and added he has another concern.

"It just sends a bad message out to everybody across Canada."
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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Just wanted to see what other Canadians think about the issue. I personally feel that instead of these cheques, which will only last a day, Alberta should spend the money differently. If I had to make a decesion I would build a new hockey arena in Edmonton, Rexall place is getting kinda old. And Calgary should look at a new football stadium, MCmahon stadium only seats like 35 thousand.
 

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I agree with what Alberta did, I would have done the same. Good strategy on the province's part. The best way to stimulate the economy is to give tax cuts or in this case a check, so folks will go ahead and spend that money.

President Bush did the same 4 or 5 years ago. I recall receiving a $600 check from the Federal govn't.
 

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What Ralphy is doing is buying votes.

Meanwhile, he is doing his best to screw universal medicare in the province.
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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Really I never heard about the US government cutting checks 5 or 6 years ago. However I remember hearing a few years back that Alaska cut its residents like $800 cheques.

Well whatever the surplus is up in the air it could be as low as 2.5 Billion or as high as 7 billion (Also note the province is debt free). Oil production is expected to double by 2012, which would mean an even larger surplus. I agree tax cuts, corporate and income, is the best way to stimulate the economy, although it would put the rest of Canada at odds with the province seeing as how Albertans are already the lowest taxed citizens.

I recall not 6 months ago, the current liberal governments budget which initially included a 4.6 billion tax cut plan for the business sector. This would of surely further stimulated our economy, however MR. Martin cut a deal to stay in power, which scrapped the tax cuts and increased social spending. I think if he was more concerned about Canada then staying in power he would of done the right thing. Disgraceful...
 

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Uh huh....I been reading up on the utopia dump we been having around here...I found this interesting, written a few months ago...

Alberta Uber Alles: Record Oil Prices are No Benefit for Albertans
Neil Waugh writes in the Edmonton Sun:
This week, gasoline prices broke over the 90 cents a litre mark in Edmonton. That's the downside of high oil prices. The Alberta government is raking it in through royalties. Or at least it used to. Because a large part of synthetic crude production is all but royalty free, Finance Minister Shirley McClellan has only booked $393 million in synthetic crude revenue. She expects to make almost double that from taxing smokes.

And we should not forget that the Ralph Reich in Alberta gouges more profits from Albertans through Gambling than it does in Oil Royalties.
Gambling has made all Albertans losers-Addiction programs underfunded by government hooked on revenues

And it makes profits off gas taxes at the pumps, screwing Albertans again. While it cheats poor Albertans out of benefits with the lowest minimum wage, lowest welfare and AISH payments in Canada. Sure we have a flat tax but we also have service fees and user fees and a provincial health care tax. So while Business pays less taxes Albertans pay more and more and get less and less for it.

And the taxes and royalties paid by the Oil Industry are less than they pay out in any other Province, State or Country. Short Term Gain for Long Term Pain seems to be the Tory platform since 1993 when we had a deficit created by Ralph cutting taxes and royalties to the oil industry.

You know something is wrong when right wing cheerleaders like Waugh and Stanway are finally outraged with the Klien Reich.

As Paul Stanway writes in the Edmonton Sun:
Gambling revenues for the Alberta government reached an incredible $1.591 billion last year - more than the government take from crude oil. The government spent $468 million running this massive cash cow, for a total profit of $1.125 billion - or a 70% profit margin! Not bad for a government that prides itself on not "picking winners and losers" and not being in the business of business. There are few, if any, private enterprises that could compete with the government gambling monopoly when it comes to turning a profit.
 

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Wow! this guy is a real bozo 8O Check this out

www.pseudoscience.gov

Advocates for impossible devices and schemes are keen on getting government support and recognition, the impossible hydrogen generating device crowd included. Getting the DOE to link to a perpetual motion machine scam is not too hard. People frequently present impossible schemes to local governments. Santa Cruz County records (warning, pdf) a 2003-February presentation by a representitive of World Improvement Technologies and our own Xogen on perpetual motion earth movers, anti-gravity bikes, water powered cars, and anti-aging technology.

In one over-the-top case of official glamour applied to a scam, Xogen's web page included a videotaped message from Alberta Premier Ralph Klien that included
As premier of the province of Alberta, I am very proud of the many emerging technologies which have been developed by Alberta companies. Companies such as Xogen Power Incorporated are fine examples of the talent and expertise which exist here in our province. The Alberta advantage refers to the business environment the province offers to a wide spectrum of industrial technologies. While the province is home to a vibrant oil and gas economy, companies such as Xogen Power Incorporated are exploring and developing a much needed alternative source of energy. These emerging technologies may soon lead us into a new and exciting era, as we enter the new millennium. I wish all those involved with Xogen every success in the future.
The Wayback indicates this was part of the Xogen.com site from 2000-June to 2001-March.

This was more than a year after Don Lancaster first said of Xogen that Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time. It's only a little surprising that the Premier Klien didn't have any advisors to tell him, in advance, that any endorsement of Xogen would be sure to embarrass him. But he aparently caught on sometime in early 2001. So how is it possible that after Xogen's false statements and misrepresentations have been exposed, and it's gone bankrupt, and investors have suffered millions in losses, that the government of Alberta has done nothing?

Good question innit???
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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I do agree with you peapod that we need to be taxing more (specifically & exclusively) in the oilsands. I also believe that Alberta has the most Casino's per capita in North American after Nevada and Atlantic City. But I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing, yup profits galore for Alberta and I dont mind going for a night of gambling especially up in Edmonton.

However to ease the gas prices in Canada maybe we should be looking at building more refineries. I think Alberta with some aid from the federal gov't can take on a project like this to benefit Canada.

Also anyone making minimum wage in alberta is almost unheard of. My 19 year old son is making $25 a hour painting pipelines in the north. Peapod while I respect your opinions, quit trying deliberately dump on Alberta. Our financial situation is the envy of all of Canada, and the gap is most certainly widening.

Currently the GDP of the Edmonton-Calgary corridor is over 40% higher than the rest of Canada and amazingly 10% higher than America's, while retaining a Canadian quality of life.
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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lol Neo Con lies? What have I said that is a neo con lie?
My friend government innefficiencies can be linked to all Canadian provinces, so picking up anything negative you can find about Alberta and throwing them on this forum is childish. This not about attacking Alberta, this thread is about the surplus and how it should be spent.

What province are you from Peapod?
 

peapod

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None of your business, but I am from lotusland.

The House Always Wins
Alberta's highest-grossing corporation isn't in the oilpatch, or even the private sector. It's the Crown agency that oversees the gambling and liquor industries
Vol. 9 Issue 9 - September 2005

By Will Gibson


The outside of Boomtown Casino looks about as glamorous as a nursing home, located in a standard-issue strip mall in Fort McMurray's unremarkable downtown core. Walking inside, however, visitors are engulfed by a jarring wave of computer-generated noise emanating from 206 slot machines. And most who pass through the doors submit to the jackhammering siren songs to pump coins into the machines.

That cacophony is about to get louder as the Boomtown expands into the space next door by year's end, growing to 23,000 square feet and up to 399 slot machines. Even the city's Bolivian-style hyperinflation - which has pushed commercial rents about 50% higher than Calgary's - cannot dampen the enthusiasm of Elston Noren, chief operating officer of the Boomtown's owner, Gamehost Income Fund. "We've spent five years at the present location and we needed this," said Noren, whose Red Deer-based trust also owns the simi-lar-sized Great Northern Casino in Grande Prairie and a 40% stake in the Deerfoot Inn & Casino, slated to open in southeast Calgary in November.

Noren's bullish cheer is matched by Game-host unitholders, who saw the company increase its revenues in the first quarter of 2005 to $7 million from $6 million during the same period in 2004. But as much as they have profited from Gamehost, their earnings are a mere pittance compared to the Alberta Gaming and Liquor Commission's take.

The commission acts as a silent partner of Gamehost and every other private business that operates in the gambling and liquor industries in Alberta. It sets the rules for retailers. In exchange, it receives a slice of the action from its private-sector partners that would be the envy of Tony Soprano. For fiscal 2004, the commission grossed $19.8 billion in revenues from its monopolies. In fact that astonishing figure represents more than 10% of the province's gross domestic product. (For the purposes of the Venture 100 list, prize money returned to customers is subtracted from the total, leaving just over $3 billion in net revenues.) What's more, the commission turned over $1.7 billion to its owner, the Alberta government, about $500 million more than the government garnered from crude oil royalties in the same year.

Posting those kinds of numbers normally sees CEOs singing paeans of self-praise in the business pages or doling out advice in a book. That sort of attention would horrify commission CEO and board chair Norman Peterson, whose low public profile is more in keeping with the senior government mandarin that he considers himself to be. Added to his bureaucratic instinct towards media wariness, the chartered accountant's reluctance to brag up the commission's success stems, in part, due to the moral baggage carried by its products.

The vast majority of the revenues, about $18.3 billion, come from gambling. And most of that money, about $17.8 billion, comes from quarters and loonies plugged into 7,582 slot machines and 5,992 video lottery terminals scattered around the province. Which, in most news stories, are portrayed as the magnet used by the commission to extract cash from desperate addicts' pockets. That might be why Peterson looks beyond the numbers to judge success. "In our various surveys with Albertans, they want assurances that these entertainment options are delivered in a socially responsible way," says Peterson, promoted to the commission's top job in 2001 after nine years of working with it and one of its forerunners, the Alberta Liquor Control Board. "We have more than three million stakeholders to listen to, so we're probably even more widely held than most of the companies on the Venture100 list."

Peterson, who helped oversee the privatization of Alberta's liquor industry in the early 1990s before the government merged its gaming and liquor regulators into a stand-alone commission in 1996, sees himself as a partner to the private-sector retailers that sell liquor and operate games of chance. Indeed, the commission serves as an example of the Klein mantra of separation of business and state compared to other provinces which, in varying degrees, own and operate their own liquor stores and casinos. "We do what government is supposed to do and let the private sector do what they are supposed to do. That's proven to be a very successful partnership," said Peterson, whose agency employs just 700 people - roughly the same total as the mammoth Casino Rama resort near Orillia, Ontario. "In the liquor industry, we now have a thriving network of 1,000 retail outlets who sell 13,000 products, far greater than before privatization."

The numbers in a recent Canada West Foundation study on gambling trends confirm that Alberta's public-private model works more efficiently than in other provinces. The study, released in June 2005, stated Alberta gamblers lost more on games of chance than anywhere else in Canada, an average of $887 per adult resident in 2003/04. As a result, it estimated the commission rakes in $474 in gambling revenue per adult, almost twice as much as the national average of $262. The commission receives 70% of revenues from the province's 6,958 slot machines in casinos. The operators evenly split the remainder with not-for-profits, which obtain a license to raise money from them. The commission does not get a cut from the table games, where charities take between 25% and 50% of the earnings depending on the market.

The high revenues combined with a low overhead pushed the commission's profit margin to 70.7% in 2003/04, more than 20% higher than the national average. Given that the commission does not risk any capital investment and slot machines come with a pre-programmed profit for the house, it occupies a rare no-lose position in the gambling industry. "It is an idiot-proof position," said one commission employee, who requested anonymity.

Keeping the returns for charities high is the commission's rationale for its approach to granting licenses for new facilities or expanding existing ones. Right now, 16 casinos operate in the province, including five each in the Edmonton and Calgary regions. In 2003/04, not-for-profit groups raised $133 million at casinos, which adds up to a lot of bake sales. The province has approved five new facilities in the past year while the Tsuu T'ina First Nation are in the final stage of the commission's eight-step application process on its proposed $30-million casino development on the southwestern fringe of Calgary.

The Canada West numbers show more Albertans are spending more money on games of chance. When Peterson began his tenure at the helm of the commission in 2001, it put $1.4 billion into the government coffers on sales of $14.9 billion, of which $13.2 billion came from VLTs and slots.

Having the Alberta government as a partner doesn't bother Bruce McPherson, whose Gold Dust Casino sits in the same windswept industrial park in St. Albert as the commission's headquarters. McPherson, who started in the industry as a blackjack dealer in the mid-1970s, believes the commission has managed the industry with a prudent hand and a long-term vision that benefits the private sector operators and not-for-profits that raise money at the casinos. "I think they've managed expansion very well, although we are close to the saturation point in terms of the number of facilities," said McPherson, who will spend up to $10 million to expand his 17,000-square-foot casino to 40,000 square feet by year's end. "The structure works well because they've kept the interest of the charities in mind."

Fulsome praise from McPherson and Noren about their public-sector partner does not impress gambling research specialist Garry Smith of the University of Alberta. The commission rarely says no when industry requests changes, something that Smith sees stemming from its blurred lines between its roles of partner and regulator. "There is a conflict of interest there," Smith asserts.

Accusations that the commission is too cosy with the industries that it is supposed to regulate are bolstered by some former commission executives' taking jobs in private industry. These include former chief operating officer Roy Bricker, who moved straight from the agency to the executive suite of Casino ABS, the province's largest casino operator, in 2000. The issue was raised last September, when the commission gave a tax break to Calgary-based brewer Big Rock, whose president Bob King also served as chair of the Alberta Liquor Control Board and as onetime deputy minister to Steve West, who was Premier Ralph Klein's chief of staff at the time.

The decision - which allowed Big Rock and Calgary-based Mountain Crest Liquors Ltd. to continue to grow while paying a reduced tax on their first 20 million litres of beer sold in the province - angered larger brewers Molson and Labatt, which pay more than twice as much tax on their suds sold in Alberta. Other connections between Big Rock and the conservative government, such as the brewery's $15,000 maximum allowable donation to the Tories in the past two years and once employing the premier's daughter Tersea Klein in the role of communications director, provided plenty of fodder for Opposition parties to question both the commission's partiality and its putative arms-length relationship with the government.

"The commission seems to be getting further and further integrated with the industries that they are supposed to be keeping an eye on," says Brian Mason, leader of Alberta's New Democrats. "How does a government-appoin-ted political body suppose to regulate an industry that it makes money from? In my view, it prevents them from acting appropriately."

Such criticism evokes laughter from McPherson, who has felt the watchdog's teeth on recent background checks into his finan-ces. "Basically, you have to drop your pants financially. It is very, very intrusive," he said. "But I understand the need for it because the integrity of this industry is paramount. And any businessman that gets into this industry has to be squeaky-clean."

And if there is an irony that in a province that celebrates free enterprise, a government agency generates more revenues than many oil companies, McPherson sees a bonus. "The government does make a lot of money, but if they didn't, you and I would pay a lot more in taxes," he says.

See now you been lying about where all those revenues are coming from, its not oil, its gambling.
 

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Re: RE: Alberta Surplus

Hank C Cheyenne said:
Also anyone making minimum wage in alberta is almost unheard of. My 19 year old son is making $25 a hour painting pipelines in the north. Peapod while I respect your opinions, quit trying deliberately dump on Alberta. Our financial situation is the envy of all of Canada, and the gap is most certainly widening.

*snicker*

You feckin' wish...I, and I'm certain many other Canadians, couldn't give a flyin' feck how much you or your son make...

It's the arrogance that you, and every other neocon Albertanite come here with that pisses people off... :?
 

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Although the checks will be nice...the money would be better spent else where...like these stupid heath care premiums. But what ever, people will decide what they want to do with their own money.
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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Thank you lena for contributing to some mature conversation. These people do nothing but attack what I say. If you look and read the whole thread nothing I have said could be considered as polarizing or as Neo con, its just that we are discussing Alberta so all the hate comes out.

Like I said there are problems with all provinces in Canada, but because this is about Alberta, peapod goes on the internet looking for random articles attacking alberta! geeez this form is about the Alberta surplus and how to spend it.
 

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Perhaps you might like to share your windfall with some of these unfortunate ALBERTA citizens!

Sunday, September 18, 2005Providence Centre? Not in Alberta!
The investigation into exploitation of a number of seniors in St. Paul is still ongoing. I am told the ex-manager of the Credit Union in that town is still incarcerated; the manageress of the Old Age Home in that town has been dismissed from her position and is still under investigation as is a number of employees in the facility. The senior who’s loyal son sent the law after this bunch of crooks has her house back and it has been repaired courtesy of the Credit Union who as a corporation is as much a victim as the other injured and exploited parties.

Because of the extensive nature of the investigation and the low profile, I suspect we will hear about this in the local papers only when Ralph and company want to use it to make one point or another.

However, the seniors plight in this province is such that exploitation is all but legislated and Ralph and his people don’t seem to be interested in changing anything. Perhaps they are running out of buddies to turn the businesses over to? Where is Dinning when you need him?

I talked to my neighbour last night, who had been to Daysland to visit a friend in the long term care facility called “Providence Centre”.Her friend was cold. There was no heat in her room. The management responded to questions about this by saying that they were not allowed to turn the heat on until October 1st.Enough said.

With Ralph more or less running the newspapers in this province I doubt if any of the Alberta papers will do any journalism on this terrible situation. Perhaps as individuals you could pick up the phone and make yourself heard!

If the press does not pick up on this we are in an even sorrier state than I have been reading about regarding the care of seniors. (Providence Centre indeed!)
 

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Facts and Statistics
HungerCount Provincial Results


As a national organization, CAFB focuses primarily on social and economic policy that emerges from the federal level of government. However, some public policy initiatives transcend jurisdictions, and this is particularly the case when it comes to the economic access to food. Each province and territory's particular circumstances are explored below, incorporating regional HungerCount data and a state of the province/territory report from provincial food bank coordinators. In every region, food banks report that inadequate minimum wage and social assistance rates, followed closely by high rents, are among the primary reasons for the growing demand for emergency food assistance. The information below is taken from HungerCount 2004 .

HungerCount 2005 will be released in fall 2005. The report will be available online after the release.


ALBERTA

In March of 2004, 54,574 people visited a food bank in Alberta - an increase of 11.9% since 2003. Food banks in Alberta served an additional 2,500 children in 2004. This represents an increase of 12.4% from 2003.

Marjorie Bencz, Executive Director of Edmonton Gleaners' Food Bank and Alberta Food Bank Network Association and provincial HungerCount coordinator, comments:
Anyone with a low income is becoming more and more marginalized. The cost of living has increased and the living wage has not kept pace. I find it ironic and unfortunate that if there is a province that could afford to do something about poverty, Alberta could, but we are regressing. The dividends from this poor investment will have a price later.

Funny innit???????? such a have province, yet the increase in the hungry!!!!!!!!!! I will be fetching those numbers when they are published, wanna bet they are even higher. There you go lena go donate your windfall to your local food bank.
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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Alright it seems you have nothing better to do than attack Alberta, so let me enlighten you.

- by far the strongest economy of any Canadian province
-Alberta recorded a budget surplus of $5 Billion for the fiscal year ending March 31, while the federal government is expecting only $3 Billion.
-Alberta has the highest growth rate in personal income of any province
-10% growth in provincial retail sales ( by far highest in Canada)
-Alberta also had the highest forecasted economic growth for both this year and next at 3.9 per cent
-lowest unemployment rate in Canada at 3.8 per cent
-Edmonton/Calgary corridor 40% higher GDP that Canadian average, and 10% higher than American Avg.
-highest rate of interprovincial migration in country
-population of Alberta is booming and will be the next powerhouse of Canada in the near future.